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Subtitles by explosiveskull

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[Adam exhales sharply]

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I am an O-ring expert.

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I worked on the
Solid Rocket Boosters

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for the Space Shuttle
Challenger.

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So you work for NASA?

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No.

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I worked for the company
in Utah

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that was contracted
to build rockets for NASA.

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You work there now?

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No.

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And your responsibilities
were...

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what?

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I was appointed to the
Special Seals Integrity Unit.

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And I would make inspections
for the recovered rockets

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and the rockets
that were ready for launch.

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And on the night in question
during the telecon,

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I made my findings clear.

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Just a moment, please.
We will get to that later.

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During the presidential
commission,

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my colleagues and I
expressed our concern.

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We will get to that later.

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I'm here to bring
a billion-dollar civil suit

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against my company,

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so what do you want to know
right now?

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I'm here to determine
if you are a victim,

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or if you are the cause
of the problem

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before we take your case.

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I'm not the problem.

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You were responsible
for the O-rings, correct?

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Yes.

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Did anyone work for you
or with you?

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What does that matter?

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Because what you are proposing
we do with your case

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won't be like the Presidential
Commission hearings.

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In the Court of Public Opinion,
perception matters.

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Now, was anyone working for you
or with you?

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I didn't have any employees
working for me, so what?

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I'm responsible?

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Didn't take you long
to us get there, did it?

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I'm here to protect you.

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Protect us from what?

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Well, I heard
about what you did,

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which was a great thing.

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You saw something
that concerned you

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and you spoke up about it.

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I'm the one
that tried to stop it.

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The future of the space program
was in our hands.

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And seven lives.

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And seven lives.

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There are gonna be a lot
of accusations,

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a lot of questions,

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but this is our chance, that...

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I mean, our story,
as a team, is heard.

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Did you know that
the Space Shuttle Challenger

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was set to launch
the day before?

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And had it launched,

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everything would have been
perfectly fine.

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If not for a jammed up
door handle

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on the outer hull of the hatch.

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[man #1] <i>Yes, sir.</i>

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No, sir.

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Yes, sir, we're working on it.

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Yes, sir.

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There were a lot of factors
that contributed to this.

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In 1986, the space program
was attempting to launch

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24 shuttles a year.

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[man #2] We're really
gonna work on a spaceship

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with a hacksaw?

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[man #3]
Should we get the drill?

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[man #2] I don't know.

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They weren't even getting close.

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The most we got was ten.

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I think they should send Mike
up with the drill.

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You guys sending Mike up?

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It was embarrassing.

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And only added pressure on us
to launch.

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- What'd they say?
- Mike's coming up.

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I'll do it.

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[drill whirring]

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[man #2] Got it.

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Yes, sir. We got it.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Okay. Well, I'll let them know,
but I think...

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Yes, sir, I'll let them know.

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What's going on?

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They're pushing launch
to tomorrow.

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Put it back on.

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Okay.

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[drill whirring]

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- Five minutes to finish.
- [Charis] Okay.

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[Mary] Emma!

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Five minutes to get ready.

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Dad makes the rockets?

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No, dummy, he seals them.

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- Don't say "dummy."
- [Charis] Stop!

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Stop. Mom!

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- Stop it.
- [Emma] I'm trying to show her.

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- Stop! Stop!
- The rocket is broken up

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into pieces and he makes sure
they are sealed

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- when they go back together.
- Stop that. Come here.

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[Emma] I was trying to show her.

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Name-calling and bullying
accomplishes nothing.

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But Dad says being right
is what matters.

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Dad, tell her
you make the rockets.

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[Adam] I seal the rockets.

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[Emma] See?

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And that's part
of making the rockets.

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- [Charis] See?
- Come on, let's go.

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We're gonna be late.

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[Adam] Let's go, let's go.
Five, four, three, two...

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Don't forget your lunch.

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...one.

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Emma, hey.

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- Dad?
- Yep?

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Is the shuttle launching today?

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Nope. You're good.

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[Mary] Wait. Why not?

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Those idiots
can't get anything right.

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Don't say "idiots."

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And just remember how
you're right is important, too.

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There's only one way
to be right.

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[Charis] <i>Dad?</i>

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[Adam] <i>Yeah?</i>

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Does everybody work
at the company you work for?

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[Adam] Mostly.

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How many?

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I don't know.
Thousands of those doo-dahs.

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Dad?

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[Adam] Yes?

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Is Mom right or are you right?

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[Adam] Now that's
the right question to be asking.

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Don't you ever forget that.

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In our family,
we do what's right, okay?

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- What does that mean?
- [Charis] What does that mean?

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That means your mom
is probably right.

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But we'll see.

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[reporter] <i>Many of you
in the news media have asked</i>

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<i>to have an opportunity to,
uh, to hear a little a bit more</i>

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<i>about the events
that occurred, uh, this morning.</i>

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[man #1]
<i>Okay, thank you. You know what?</i>

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<i>Of course,
it was just not our day.</i>

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<i>Removed in the...</i>

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<i>the ground support
assist handle.</i>

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<i>And that handle
could not be removed</i>

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<i>because a threaded fastener</i>

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<i>apparently was stripped.</i>

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<i>And we had a little bit
of problem with the...</i>

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<i>the frost and the ice
on the external tank.</i>

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<i>And then the wind picks up.</i>

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<i>Uh, we we're really getting
in the condition of no go</i>

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<i>from the standpoint
of RTLS crosswind.</i>

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[man #2] <i>Today also, we used
a hacksaw on the, uh, vault.</i>

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[man #1] <i>Well, if the, uh,
they did use a hacksaw</i>

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<i>to... to cut away the...
the cylinder</i>

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<i>on this...
this particular handle.</i>

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[reporter] <i>What...
At what point would you say,</i>

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<i>tomorrow the temperature's
have caused, uh, a scrub in...</i>

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[man #2]
<i>The outside temperature,</i>

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<i>the absolute
outside temperature,</i>

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<i>we... we don't have...</i>

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No one seemed to care
about the space program

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until that stunt
with that teacher.

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Why do you call it a stunt?

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It was unnecessary.

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But, suddenly everyone's
interested in space again.

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[Adam] <i>Everyone was glued
to their TVs, which meant...</i>

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<i>all eyes were on us.</i>

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[Carl] Adam. Adam!

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When do you think
they will reschedule the launch?

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Not sure.

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Why did they scrub the launch
in the first place?

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I don't know.

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What about the...

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[Adam] Just getting to work
like you, okay?

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I'm sure we'll find out.

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[Carl] Okay. But, uh, they're
expecting the temperatures

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to be below freezing in Florida.

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Freezing in Florida?

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Okay.

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[Finch] <i>The Challenger launch
was postponed three times</i>

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and scrubbed once
from the planned date

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of January 22, 1986.

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Correct.

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They have a way of twisting
your words around

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and using them against you.

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Would the other launches
have resulted in O-ring failures

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had they taken place?

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You say one thing a little bit
different a year from now...

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you're on trial for perjury.

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I guess the other launches
would have been fine.

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Do you do a lot of guessing
in your line of work?

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[reporter]
<i>Florida may be experiencing</i>

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<i>record low temperatures,</i>

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<i>but the heat is still on.</i>

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<i>School children from around
the nation have gathered</i>

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<i>to watch their favorite teacher
prepare to blast off into space.</i>

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<i>Sadly, there will be
no launch today</i>

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<i>as NASA has yet again
scrubbed another shuttle launch.</i>

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<i>This time, because
of a jammed door handle.</i>

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<i>Will NASA ever launch
space shuttle Challenger?</i>

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I didn't find out until 1 p.m.

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that they planned to launch
the next morning.

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What was your main concern
that day?

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Temperature was a concern.

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It was the concern.

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And at around five o'clock,
we began to realize

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we were in some serious trouble.

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[Adam] Listen to me,
I don't think you realize

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how deadly important this is.

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The shuttle is scheduled
to launch in about 16 hours,

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so I need to know from you guys

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what exactly is the temperature
going to be?

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- [weather man] <i>In Florida?</i>
- Yes, in Florida!

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The rockets are in Florida.

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[weather man]
<i>I'll check, uh, let me see...</i>

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<i>Looks like 30 degrees.</i>

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And you're sure
that's Cape Canaveral,

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not Orlando, right?

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[Carl chattering indistinctly]

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[Adam] Carl, get out.

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- Whoa!
- It's 30 degrees right now.

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- So?
- In Florida.

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- Are you sure?
- [Adam] Of course, I'm sure.

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Why do you think
I came storming in here?

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You come storming in everywhere.

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Is it going to get colder
than 30 degrees?

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What do you think?
Does it get colder at night?

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Fair point.

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- Carl.
- [Carl] Mm?

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What do you think?

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That sounds serious.
I think we should tell someone.

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Okay, we'll get the guys
together,

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and we'll, um, discuss it
and then take it upstairs.

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Will do.

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Oh, um, where do you want
us to meet?

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[Bill] Bullpen.

245
00:13:36.643 --> 00:13:38.208
[Carl] Okay.

246
00:13:38.210 --> 00:13:39.541
Uh, where in the bullpen?

247
00:13:39.543 --> 00:13:41.645
- Oh, boy.
- Anywhere is fine, Carl.

248
00:13:41.647 --> 00:13:42.643
On it.

249
00:13:44.479 --> 00:13:45.776
[Adam] This guy.

250
00:13:45.778 --> 00:13:47.310
You have to take it down
a notch.

251
00:13:47.312 --> 00:13:48.308
What?

252
00:13:48.310 --> 00:13:50.242
That's why nobody
listens to you, you know.

253
00:13:50.244 --> 00:13:51.475
The storming in.

254
00:13:51.477 --> 00:13:53.344
Kicking Carl out.

255
00:13:53.346 --> 00:13:54.542
You know he agrees with you.

256
00:13:54.544 --> 00:13:56.108
Oh, yeah, 'cause I'm right.

257
00:13:58.245 --> 00:13:59.342
Okay.

258
00:14:00.343 --> 00:14:02.375
What do you want to do about it?

259
00:14:02.377 --> 00:14:05.208
Well, what have I been
talking about?

260
00:14:05.210 --> 00:14:06.810
- Okay. Okay.
- For months?

261
00:14:06.812 --> 00:14:08.276
Dial it down.

262
00:14:10.376 --> 00:14:11.841
You are right.

263
00:14:13.178 --> 00:14:14.943
Correct. We believe you.

264
00:14:14.945 --> 00:14:16.575
[Bill]
No one has ever been righter

265
00:14:16.577 --> 00:14:18.510
in the history of being right!

266
00:14:18.512 --> 00:14:20.745
So, what should we do?

267
00:14:20.747 --> 00:14:23.809
Who do you want me to call?
You want me to call Reagan?

268
00:14:23.811 --> 00:14:25.644
How do we convince them
that you are right?

269
00:14:25.646 --> 00:14:27.741
Convince?
This isn't a convincing thing.

270
00:14:27.743 --> 00:14:29.477
You show them the numbers,
and that's the number.

271
00:14:29.479 --> 00:14:32.844
I know, but have the numbers
meant anything so far?

272
00:14:34.479 --> 00:14:35.809
No.

273
00:14:35.811 --> 00:14:38.407
And you've been at this
for about a year now?

274
00:14:38.409 --> 00:14:39.473
And?

275
00:14:41.211 --> 00:14:46.443
So, how do we discuss
and convince?

276
00:14:46.445 --> 00:14:49.440
Do you want to run
into every office hysterically?

277
00:14:49.442 --> 00:14:50.874
Screaming that the sky
is falling?

278
00:14:50.876 --> 00:14:53.609
Again, I don't understand
what you're saying right now.

279
00:14:53.611 --> 00:14:55.707
- These idiots...
- All right. Hold on. All right!

280
00:14:55.709 --> 00:14:57.643
Let's just talk to the guys
and see what they say.

281
00:14:57.645 --> 00:14:59.442
- [Carl] That good?
- [Adam] Well, it doesn't matter.

282
00:14:59.444 --> 00:15:01.307
Once they see the facts,
then they'll see.

283
00:15:01.309 --> 00:15:02.375
[Carl]
Adam, I'm getting a headache

284
00:15:02.377 --> 00:15:03.441
just thinking about this stuff.

285
00:15:03.443 --> 00:15:04.439
Come on, let's go.

286
00:15:05.880 --> 00:15:07.878
[thrilling music]

287
00:15:14.809 --> 00:15:16.243
[Dean] What is it, Carl?

288
00:15:16.245 --> 00:15:18.576
Oh, um, Adam has something
to talk about.

289
00:15:18.578 --> 00:15:20.375
[Dean] Is it actually important?

290
00:15:20.377 --> 00:15:22.374
[Carl] He says it's 30 degrees
in Florida.

291
00:15:25.244 --> 00:15:27.910
Well, then, that is important.

292
00:15:27.912 --> 00:15:29.376
I'll be there in a moment.

293
00:15:29.378 --> 00:15:30.477
Uh, Carl?

294
00:15:30.479 --> 00:15:31.843
Yes, Dean?

295
00:15:31.845 --> 00:15:33.477
[Dean] Where is "there"?

296
00:15:33.479 --> 00:15:35.642
Oh, uh, the bullpen.

297
00:15:35.644 --> 00:15:38.743
Uh, Carl, where in the bullpen?

298
00:15:38.745 --> 00:15:40.742
[stutters]
Oh, I don't know. The middle?

299
00:15:45.280 --> 00:15:47.277
[thrilling music]

300
00:16:01.280 --> 00:16:02.774
Adam and Bill wanna see us.

301
00:16:02.776 --> 00:16:05.543
Oh, come on.
I was just about to leave.

302
00:16:05.545 --> 00:16:07.511
I'm hungry. Where we going?

303
00:16:07.513 --> 00:16:09.644
You really need to get a handle
on this sort of stuff.

304
00:16:09.646 --> 00:16:10.777
Get it? Handle?

305
00:16:10.779 --> 00:16:13.345
Okay, are you gonna tell me
what's going on or what?

306
00:16:13.347 --> 00:16:14.643
Oh, we need to get Frank.

307
00:16:14.645 --> 00:16:15.543
Frank.

308
00:16:15.545 --> 00:16:17.810
Adam's not gonna like us
getting Frank.

309
00:16:17.812 --> 00:16:19.677
Adam doesn't like anything.
Come on.

310
00:16:21.680 --> 00:16:23.678
[suspenseful music]

311
00:16:27.511 --> 00:16:29.344
We've been summoned.

312
00:16:29.346 --> 00:16:31.809
Not me. I'm not here.

313
00:16:31.811 --> 00:16:33.809
Adam says it's 30 degrees
in Florida.

314
00:16:33.811 --> 00:16:35.478
Really?

315
00:16:35.480 --> 00:16:37.510
What is it with this guy,
and what's his problem?

316
00:16:37.512 --> 00:16:39.843
I don't know. Let's go find out.

317
00:16:39.845 --> 00:16:42.477
[Frank] I need you guys
to back me up on this in there.

318
00:16:42.479 --> 00:16:44.477
Maybe we should hear him out,
you know, just in case.

319
00:16:44.479 --> 00:16:46.679
He has been going on
about this for a year,

320
00:16:46.681 --> 00:16:47.942
I'm sick of it.

321
00:16:47.944 --> 00:16:49.411
[Edwin]
The sooner this is over with,

322
00:16:49.413 --> 00:16:51.844
the sooner
we can get some dinner.

323
00:16:51.846 --> 00:16:53.911
Hey, guys, what's happening?
Happy hour?

324
00:16:53.913 --> 00:16:56.177
[Frank] Can somebody tell me
why I'm not at home

325
00:16:56.179 --> 00:16:57.745
having dinner right now?

326
00:16:57.747 --> 00:16:59.576
What is the problem?

327
00:16:59.578 --> 00:17:01.310
It's too cold to launch.

328
00:17:01.312 --> 00:17:02.744
[Frank] Really?

329
00:17:02.746 --> 00:17:06.212
It's too cold to light up
a million pounds of rocket fuel?

330
00:17:06.214 --> 00:17:07.311
What's he doing here?

331
00:17:07.313 --> 00:17:10.209
I thought we could use
as many people as possible.

332
00:17:10.211 --> 00:17:11.678
Let me ask you this,

333
00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:14.678
how does rocket fuel do
when it's spewing out the side

334
00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:16.744
instead of the bottom,
Von Braun?

335
00:17:16.746 --> 00:17:19.278
All we have to do
is take this memo,

336
00:17:19.280 --> 00:17:20.580
show 'em the facts,

337
00:17:20.582 --> 00:17:22.343
and then NASA
will reschedule the launch

338
00:17:22.345 --> 00:17:24.644
till later in the day
or when it warms up.

339
00:17:24.646 --> 00:17:25.676
It's all in the memo.

340
00:17:27.711 --> 00:17:28.741
The memo?

341
00:17:29.813 --> 00:17:31.277
Yes, the memo.

342
00:17:32.478 --> 00:17:34.244
Tell them what's on the memo?

343
00:17:34.246 --> 00:17:35.876
I've been working on this
for over a year.

344
00:17:35.878 --> 00:17:37.077
It has all my findings.

345
00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:39.576
And now you're gonna tell me
that none of you read my memo?

346
00:17:39.578 --> 00:17:40.642
- I read it.
- I didn't read it.

347
00:17:40.644 --> 00:17:42.479
- I skimmed it.
- Okay.

348
00:17:42.481 --> 00:17:45.377
It's on the memo. It's cold.
What does it mean?

349
00:17:45.379 --> 00:17:47.277
- [scoffs]
- Do you have a problem?

350
00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:48.344
- [Bill] Guys.
- [Frank] You know something?

351
00:17:48.346 --> 00:17:49.342
You're like this pebble

352
00:17:49.344 --> 00:17:51.608
that gets under the wheel
of a shopping cart

353
00:17:51.610 --> 00:17:53.511
and makes it go...
[imitating rustling sound]

354
00:17:53.513 --> 00:17:55.376
Oh, yeah, that's right.

355
00:17:55.378 --> 00:17:57.509
And you're like the guy
that can't build a shopping cart

356
00:17:57.511 --> 00:17:59.311
that can go over a pebble.

357
00:17:59.313 --> 00:18:00.442
What do you even do here?

358
00:18:00.444 --> 00:18:02.875
I make sure guys like you
don't torpedo our company.

359
00:18:02.877 --> 00:18:03.777
- Torpedo?
- [Adam] Torpedo?

360
00:18:03.779 --> 00:18:05.542
Can we just have the facts,
gentlemen?

361
00:18:05.544 --> 00:18:07.374
All of this bickering
gets us nowhere.

362
00:18:08.846 --> 00:18:11.675
What's the coldest temperature
NASA has ever launched

363
00:18:11.677 --> 00:18:13.778
one of our
Solid Rocket Boosters?

364
00:18:13.780 --> 00:18:16.612
STS-51-C.

365
00:18:16.614 --> 00:18:20.645
One year ago minus three days,
third launch of Discovery,

366
00:18:20.647 --> 00:18:23.309
the temperature
53 degrees Fahrenheit.

367
00:18:23.311 --> 00:18:24.744
Wow, good job, Dean.

368
00:18:24.746 --> 00:18:26.877
Oh, yeah, cookies for everybody.

369
00:18:26.879 --> 00:18:29.711
Hey, Frank,
what's the coldest temperature

370
00:18:29.713 --> 00:18:32.244
we've ever tested one
of our Solid Rocket Boosters?

371
00:18:32.246 --> 00:18:33.643
Hey, Adam, do you get more

372
00:18:33.645 --> 00:18:36.644
or less erosion
at a 73-degree launch?

373
00:18:36.646 --> 00:18:38.611
Oh, so you did read it,

374
00:18:38.613 --> 00:18:40.443
and you know
there was more erosion

375
00:18:40.445 --> 00:18:41.846
but less blowby.

376
00:18:41.848 --> 00:18:44.743
You are trying to stop
this launch,

377
00:18:44.745 --> 00:18:46.742
and I am not going to allow it.

378
00:18:48.446 --> 00:18:50.179
And neither is Carl.

379
00:18:50.181 --> 00:18:53.645
If there was a problem,
why didn't you stop the launch?

380
00:18:53.647 --> 00:18:55.379
[Adam]
Because it wasn't up to me.

381
00:18:55.381 --> 00:18:57.343
I'm not the decision-maker.

382
00:18:57.345 --> 00:19:00.178
There is a chain of command.

383
00:19:00.180 --> 00:19:04.409
We are just a very small cog
in a very big machine.

384
00:19:04.411 --> 00:19:07.442
Seems pretty important.

385
00:19:07.444 --> 00:19:10.343
[Adam] The shuttle is made up
of millions of parts.

386
00:19:10.345 --> 00:19:15.312
It is the most complex piece
of machinery in human history.

387
00:19:15.314 --> 00:19:19.311
The O-rings are just one piece
in a sea of pieces.

388
00:19:19.313 --> 00:19:20.711
And no was listening.

389
00:19:20.713 --> 00:19:23.279
We need to hear more
before we decide either way.

390
00:19:23.281 --> 00:19:24.643
Okay, shopping cart genius.

391
00:19:24.645 --> 00:19:27.577
Uh... Don't take my pencil.

392
00:19:27.579 --> 00:19:31.946
When we ship all the pieces
of our four-story rockets,

393
00:19:31.948 --> 00:19:35.242
and they put them
all back together at Kennedy,

394
00:19:35.244 --> 00:19:38.277
how do you think we keep
a million pounds of rocket fuel

395
00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:40.613
from spewing out
of the connection points?

396
00:19:40.615 --> 00:19:41.845
[Adam] With our seals.

397
00:19:41.847 --> 00:19:45.613
And if our seals don't seal,
then everyone blows up and dies!

398
00:19:45.615 --> 00:19:47.243
The problem is you can't prove

399
00:19:47.245 --> 00:19:49.243
that the temperature
is a problem!

400
00:19:49.245 --> 00:19:50.845
I know, that's the problem!

401
00:19:50.847 --> 00:19:52.677
Is this what you guys want?

402
00:19:52.679 --> 00:19:56.579
You want this guy making
decisions about your future?

403
00:19:56.581 --> 00:19:59.511
Yeah, why are you making such
a big deal about this tonight?

404
00:19:59.513 --> 00:20:00.510
No.

405
00:20:00.512 --> 00:20:02.613
He's been on about this
for about a year now.

406
00:20:02.615 --> 00:20:03.743
[Frank] Exactly.

407
00:20:03.745 --> 00:20:06.878
And none of the other
shuttle launches got stopped.

408
00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:10.311
When we launched in 30 degrees?

409
00:20:10.313 --> 00:20:11.711
You know, I think we should talk
to the boss.

410
00:20:11.713 --> 00:20:12.779
Run it up the chain.

411
00:20:12.781 --> 00:20:13.879
[scoffs]

412
00:20:13.881 --> 00:20:17.846
Guys, Adam here knows
that he cannot stop a launch

413
00:20:17.848 --> 00:20:20.743
unless everybody else here
is on board.

414
00:20:20.745 --> 00:20:23.711
And he also knows that
management is not going to stop

415
00:20:23.713 --> 00:20:28.279
a billion-dollar launch
without any proof.

416
00:20:28.281 --> 00:20:34.511
And Adam also knows
that he is just one guy.

417
00:20:39.180 --> 00:20:42.377
I must say, I am unconvinced.

418
00:20:43.713 --> 00:20:48.342
I think... we should run
this up the chain

419
00:20:48.344 --> 00:20:50.344
however painful it might be.

420
00:20:50.346 --> 00:20:51.577
Bad idea.

421
00:20:52.514 --> 00:20:53.380
I may be unconvinced,

422
00:20:53.382 --> 00:20:55.845
but this discussion needs
to happen.

423
00:20:55.847 --> 00:20:58.947
To do nothing at this point
would be a big mistake.

424
00:20:58.949 --> 00:21:00.678
Let's say we do postpone
the launch.

425
00:21:00.680 --> 00:21:02.710
What's the worst
that could happen?

426
00:21:02.712 --> 00:21:05.577
Management might find
a replacement company to build

427
00:21:05.579 --> 00:21:08.445
the Solid Rocket Boosters,
that's what.

428
00:21:08.447 --> 00:21:10.843
Oh, and also, our company,

429
00:21:10.845 --> 00:21:13.710
you know,
the one we still work for,

430
00:21:13.712 --> 00:21:15.612
they might just start
laying off people

431
00:21:15.614 --> 00:21:20.114
because we are the ones who
delay launches at the 13th hour.

432
00:21:20.848 --> 00:21:22.577
I think he has a point.

433
00:21:22.579 --> 00:21:24.644
We all have jobs to think about.

434
00:21:24.646 --> 00:21:25.777
And dinners.

435
00:21:26.848 --> 00:21:28.880
Don't you have a kid in college?

436
00:21:29.848 --> 00:21:32.346
Don't you have a mortgage?

437
00:21:32.348 --> 00:21:34.179
And don't you have a wife
and two kids

438
00:21:34.181 --> 00:21:35.944
who are depending on you?

439
00:21:35.946 --> 00:21:37.846
Yeah, we have
all these problems,

440
00:21:37.848 --> 00:21:39.377
but what's the solution here

441
00:21:39.379 --> 00:21:40.880
that's not killing
another launching?

442
00:21:40.882 --> 00:21:42.712
And what happens if we blow up
the shuttle tomorrow?

443
00:21:42.714 --> 00:21:43.913
What happens after that?

444
00:21:43.915 --> 00:21:45.812
- That is beyond ridicu...
- Come on now let's settle down.

445
00:21:45.814 --> 00:21:46.779
I never thought of it like that.

446
00:21:46.781 --> 00:21:48.679
- How's that for job security?
- Ridiculous.

447
00:21:49.811 --> 00:21:52.345
- Adam, you can get back to them.
- [sighs]

448
00:21:52.347 --> 00:21:53.779
I really admire
what you guys did.

449
00:21:53.781 --> 00:21:56.746
You don't have the first clue
about what we did,

450
00:21:56.748 --> 00:22:00.247
or what we do,
or what we will do.

451
00:22:00.249 --> 00:22:01.711
He's on our team.

452
00:22:01.713 --> 00:22:03.313
It's time you two
start acting like it.

453
00:22:03.315 --> 00:22:04.211
Yeah, ever since this happened

454
00:22:04.213 --> 00:22:05.814
management has been trying
to paint me

455
00:22:05.816 --> 00:22:07.846
as some kind of...

456
00:22:07.848 --> 00:22:10.778
malcontent employee,
bent on causing problems.

457
00:22:13.414 --> 00:22:15.178
Excuse us for just a minute.

458
00:22:15.180 --> 00:22:16.646
No, no,
it's completely all right.

459
00:22:16.648 --> 00:22:19.379
You're right, I don't know you.
Personally. I don't know...

460
00:22:19.381 --> 00:22:21.613
But I know you're a person
of conviction.

461
00:22:21.615 --> 00:22:24.444
And I know that you care deeply
about the space program,

462
00:22:24.446 --> 00:22:27.480
which is why we're all here
trying to get this sorted out.

463
00:22:27.482 --> 00:22:29.811
What do you make of him so far?

464
00:22:29.813 --> 00:22:32.612
Well, if you press him,
he falls apart.

465
00:22:32.614 --> 00:22:36.647
He's defensive, rude,
and difficult to deal with.

466
00:22:36.649 --> 00:22:38.213
Hmm.

467
00:22:38.215 --> 00:22:40.444
I would like to hear more,
though.

468
00:22:40.446 --> 00:22:45.415
Look, what we can't do
is turn on each other.

469
00:22:45.417 --> 00:22:49.914
I mean, yeah, let's get it
all out in here where it's safe.

470
00:22:49.916 --> 00:22:53.581
But out there,
we have to stick together.

471
00:22:53.583 --> 00:22:55.581
Are you asking us to lie?

472
00:22:55.583 --> 00:22:58.847
No. Nobody is advocating lying.

473
00:22:58.849 --> 00:23:00.880
Going back
to our previous conversation,

474
00:23:00.882 --> 00:23:04.747
are you a malcontent employee,
bent on causing problems?

475
00:23:04.749 --> 00:23:05.813
No.

476
00:23:07.550 --> 00:23:08.614
Maybe.

477
00:23:11.247 --> 00:23:13.346
Probably, but for good reason.

478
00:23:13.348 --> 00:23:14.745
What reason?

479
00:23:14.747 --> 00:23:17.279
Why can't you just talk to him
like a normal person?

480
00:23:17.281 --> 00:23:18.447
Be reasonable?

481
00:23:18.449 --> 00:23:20.312
[Adam] I don't have to,
I'm right.

482
00:23:20.314 --> 00:23:22.778
He's just afraid
of losing his job. Hell, I am.

483
00:23:22.780 --> 00:23:24.780
And you're never going to win
anybody like this.

484
00:23:24.782 --> 00:23:26.344
This needs to stay
an engineering question,

485
00:23:26.346 --> 00:23:27.412
that's what.

486
00:23:27.414 --> 00:23:31.179
If we go to the boss like this,
we'll get nowhere.

487
00:23:31.181 --> 00:23:32.279
Who? Kurt?

488
00:23:32.281 --> 00:23:34.180
Why aren't we marching up
to his office right now?

489
00:23:34.182 --> 00:23:37.211
I thought we would have
a brief, calm conversation,

490
00:23:37.213 --> 00:23:39.778
come up with an agreement
together,

491
00:23:39.780 --> 00:23:42.612
and then walk up there
with a proposal.

492
00:23:42.614 --> 00:23:44.381
But I didn't anticipate this
or Frank.

493
00:23:44.383 --> 00:23:45.680
Why do we need to take a problem

494
00:23:45.682 --> 00:23:47.611
that has no solution
to our boss?

495
00:23:47.613 --> 00:23:49.279
There's at least
two other engineers

496
00:23:49.281 --> 00:23:50.278
that think we have a problem.

497
00:23:50.280 --> 00:23:52.681
As soon as we go,
Frank is gonna follow us.

498
00:23:52.683 --> 00:23:53.945
And as soon as we get up there,

499
00:23:53.947 --> 00:23:56.946
he's gonna throw around
his credentials.

500
00:23:56.948 --> 00:23:58.347
Problem Review Board this

501
00:23:58.349 --> 00:24:00.180
and problem assessment
systems that,

502
00:24:00.182 --> 00:24:01.312
and nothing's gonna happen.

503
00:24:03.550 --> 00:24:04.680
Adam.

504
00:24:04.682 --> 00:24:06.846
- I'm getting Jim on the phone.
- [Bill] Just hold on.

505
00:24:06.848 --> 00:24:08.347
Let's just see
how we're gonna grade

506
00:24:08.349 --> 00:24:09.877
and keep Frank away
for a few minutes.

507
00:24:09.879 --> 00:24:13.613
Get Jim on the phone,
get him on our side.

508
00:24:13.615 --> 00:24:16.279
Have him call Kurt.

509
00:24:16.281 --> 00:24:18.445
And make it seem
like Cape Canaveral

510
00:24:18.447 --> 00:24:21.712
is asking for a flight ready
review meeting.

511
00:24:21.714 --> 00:24:24.914
Jim can make everyone concerned
about the temperature.

512
00:24:24.916 --> 00:24:26.544
This is a farce.

513
00:24:26.546 --> 00:24:29.847
- We are engineers. We're not...
- No. We're not engineers.

514
00:24:29.849 --> 00:24:31.282
We're people.

515
00:24:31.284 --> 00:24:32.611
Dumb, emotional people.

516
00:24:32.613 --> 00:24:35.812
Well, thanks for the psychology
lesson, Professor.

517
00:24:35.814 --> 00:24:39.679
Right now, I'm more interested
in rockets exploding.

518
00:24:39.681 --> 00:24:42.614
[Finch] Did it ever occur to you
that your interpersonal skills

519
00:24:42.616 --> 00:24:45.947
may have hindered your ability
to convince your coworkers?

520
00:24:45.949 --> 00:24:49.512
Yeah, if that isn't the
understatement of a lifetime.

521
00:24:49.514 --> 00:24:51.312
Is this guy the best you got?

522
00:24:52.783 --> 00:24:54.380
I was right.

523
00:24:58.415 --> 00:24:59.814
When you were
in engineering school,

524
00:24:59.816 --> 00:25:01.414
did they make you show
your work?

525
00:25:02.815 --> 00:25:04.447
What does that have to do
with anything?

526
00:25:04.449 --> 00:25:07.346
Did they make you show them
your work?

527
00:25:07.348 --> 00:25:09.948
When you were solving problems
and analyzing potatoes?

528
00:25:09.950 --> 00:25:10.949
So what if they did?

529
00:25:10.951 --> 00:25:12.813
[Finch] Well, you're gonna show
your work here.

530
00:25:12.815 --> 00:25:15.514
Because it's not good enough
to just say you were right.

531
00:25:15.516 --> 00:25:16.912
Anyone can make a prediction.

532
00:25:16.914 --> 00:25:18.648
It's gonna rain.

533
00:25:18.650 --> 00:25:20.914
I wanna know how you knew.

534
00:25:20.916 --> 00:25:24.314
And I want to know
how you told them.

535
00:25:24.316 --> 00:25:28.478
Because maybe the problem
wasn't with their understanding.

536
00:25:28.480 --> 00:25:31.413
Maybe the problem was
with how it was communicated.

537
00:25:31.415 --> 00:25:32.712
And that's on you.

538
00:25:34.514 --> 00:25:36.747
So how exactly
did you maneuver yourself

539
00:25:36.749 --> 00:25:38.248
through the chain of command

540
00:25:38.250 --> 00:25:40.614
to get the new information
to the Cape.

541
00:25:40.616 --> 00:25:43.281
[indistinct chatter]

542
00:25:43.283 --> 00:25:44.849
How do we get the Cape
on the phone

543
00:25:44.851 --> 00:25:46.480
without Frank knowing about it?

544
00:25:46.482 --> 00:25:49.248
[overlapping conversation]

545
00:25:49.250 --> 00:25:51.946
Hey, I thought you said
Carl was on my side.

546
00:25:51.948 --> 00:25:55.583
Why don't we just take Frank
to the recovery facility?

547
00:25:55.585 --> 00:25:56.847
- Show him the soot.
- [Adam] What?

548
00:25:56.849 --> 00:25:58.048
Yeah, that'll work.

549
00:25:58.050 --> 00:26:01.182
And then you just go ahead
and think of a way to break off

550
00:26:01.184 --> 00:26:03.445
and go to your office and get
some papers or something.

551
00:26:03.447 --> 00:26:04.381
I'm not playing games.

552
00:26:04.383 --> 00:26:06.182
Just think of a good reason
to break off

553
00:26:06.184 --> 00:26:07.378
as soon as we get going,
all right?

554
00:26:07.380 --> 00:26:09.713
Bill had a way
that he wanted to do things.

555
00:26:09.715 --> 00:26:12.281
And did you agree with Bill?

556
00:26:12.283 --> 00:26:15.181
Okay, fellas, we are going
to the recovery facility.

557
00:26:15.183 --> 00:26:17.482
Does fluorocarbon elastomer
work better or worse

558
00:26:17.484 --> 00:26:18.579
in freezing temperatures?

559
00:26:18.581 --> 00:26:20.915
[Frank]
What is fluoro... elastic?

560
00:26:20.917 --> 00:26:23.881
It's the seal. And no,
rubber-like substances

561
00:26:23.883 --> 00:26:25.812
do not work better
in the freezing cold.

562
00:26:25.814 --> 00:26:29.582
Exactly, cold rubber
doesn't seal as well.

563
00:26:29.584 --> 00:26:30.679
I want us to go.

564
00:26:30.681 --> 00:26:33.481
What difference do a few degrees
make about anything?

565
00:26:33.483 --> 00:26:35.611
Dean does water freeze
at 33 degrees?

566
00:26:35.613 --> 00:26:37.446
No, it does not.

567
00:26:37.448 --> 00:26:38.847
But it does at 32.

568
00:26:38.849 --> 00:26:40.348
That's right. A single degree
can make a difference.

569
00:26:40.350 --> 00:26:42.313
And it can affect
that fluorocarbon elastomer.

570
00:26:42.315 --> 00:26:43.448
You guys are hopeless.

571
00:26:43.450 --> 00:26:46.416
Help me understand why
you weren't taking the advice

572
00:26:46.418 --> 00:26:48.781
of your problem assessment
specialist.

573
00:26:48.783 --> 00:26:51.415
Who? Frank? Are you kidding me?

574
00:26:51.417 --> 00:26:54.548
You should be asking me why
didn't everyone take my advice.

575
00:26:54.550 --> 00:26:55.481
[Frank]
You're not going to convince me

576
00:26:55.483 --> 00:26:57.448
to put everyone's jobs here
in jeopardy

577
00:26:57.450 --> 00:26:59.246
on some theory
you can't even come up with!

578
00:26:59.248 --> 00:27:00.713
Jobs? That's your criteria?

579
00:27:00.715 --> 00:27:03.379
Maybe you should've done
your actual job.

580
00:27:03.381 --> 00:27:05.681
Now it's time for the smart guys
to do their jobs.

581
00:27:05.683 --> 00:27:07.382
[Adam] You're willing
to kill people for jobs?

582
00:27:07.384 --> 00:27:08.549
You self-righteous...

583
00:27:08.551 --> 00:27:09.747
Frank! Frank!

584
00:27:09.749 --> 00:27:11.282
I'm not the problem.

585
00:27:11.284 --> 00:27:13.382
I've just about had enough
of this.

586
00:27:13.384 --> 00:27:14.516
Guys.

587
00:27:14.518 --> 00:27:16.280
Relax.

588
00:27:16.282 --> 00:27:18.548
Okay, we have to get
to the bottom of this.

589
00:27:18.550 --> 00:27:20.212
It may be uncomfortable,

590
00:27:20.214 --> 00:27:21.881
but you need
to tell me the truth.

591
00:27:21.883 --> 00:27:23.346
Get...

592
00:27:23.348 --> 00:27:24.346
Hey!

593
00:27:25.385 --> 00:27:26.314
Where is he going?

594
00:27:26.316 --> 00:27:28.215
I think he's got something
in his office.

595
00:27:28.217 --> 00:27:29.481
[Bill] Did you forget something
in your office?

596
00:27:29.483 --> 00:27:30.580
[Adam] No!

597
00:27:33.283 --> 00:27:35.280
[foreboding music]

598
00:27:39.349 --> 00:27:41.583
If the recovery boats come in,

599
00:27:41.585 --> 00:27:43.483
they want to know
what that means.

600
00:27:46.716 --> 00:27:50.915
It means our rockets will
get lost in the Atlantic Ocean.

601
00:27:50.917 --> 00:27:53.382
Those things are expensive.
We better not lose them.

602
00:27:55.416 --> 00:27:57.315
Is that option on the table?

603
00:27:57.317 --> 00:27:59.812
They wanna know
what this will mean to NASA.

604
00:27:59.814 --> 00:28:02.681
Can't you just pick it up
off the bottom?

605
00:28:02.683 --> 00:28:05.313
What kind of question is that?

606
00:28:05.315 --> 00:28:07.483
Tell the recovery boats
to remain out at sea

607
00:28:07.485 --> 00:28:09.316
and get those rockets
when they splash down.

608
00:28:09.318 --> 00:28:12.182
Boats can't stay out there
in the wind.

609
00:28:12.184 --> 00:28:13.748
We need you to figure
the cost for your company

610
00:28:13.750 --> 00:28:17.282
if we launch
with no recovery boats.

611
00:28:17.284 --> 00:28:18.347
Oh.

612
00:28:19.551 --> 00:28:21.716
See if NASA
can figure this out, then.

613
00:28:21.718 --> 00:28:23.715
If you want 24 launches
in a year,

614
00:28:23.717 --> 00:28:25.916
you can only do that
with reusable parts.

615
00:28:25.918 --> 00:28:28.447
If the parts get lost
in the Atlantic Ocean...

616
00:28:28.449 --> 00:28:29.882
Wait, too windy?

617
00:28:29.884 --> 00:28:31.882
It's too windy for boats
to be on the water,

618
00:28:31.884 --> 00:28:34.181
but not too windy
to launch the shuttle?

619
00:28:34.183 --> 00:28:35.448
We're trying to get
through this launch

620
00:28:35.450 --> 00:28:37.283
before thinking
about making recoveries

621
00:28:37.285 --> 00:28:38.580
to supply the next one.

622
00:28:38.582 --> 00:28:39.848
If the boats come back in now,

623
00:28:39.850 --> 00:28:42.349
they won't be able to make it
back out for the launch window.

624
00:28:42.351 --> 00:28:44.116
The boats are already
headed back.

625
00:28:48.718 --> 00:28:52.613
So, we're going to lose
a billion-dollar asset?

626
00:28:52.615 --> 00:28:53.715
That's right.

627
00:28:53.717 --> 00:28:54.747
Excuse me?

628
00:28:58.916 --> 00:29:02.180
What's he doing? Huh? Huh?

629
00:29:02.182 --> 00:29:04.180
Get the flight engineer
on the phone now.

630
00:29:06.486 --> 00:29:09.381
This is Adam with the team that
built the Solid Rocket Boosters,

631
00:29:09.383 --> 00:29:10.548
and I have important information

632
00:29:10.550 --> 00:29:13.447
regarding a catastrophic
failure of the shuttle launch

633
00:29:13.449 --> 00:29:14.815
due to the primary
and secondary O-rings.

634
00:29:14.817 --> 00:29:16.816
- Get him on the phone now.
- Who is that on the phone?

635
00:29:16.818 --> 00:29:18.247
Are you talking to Kurt? Huh?

636
00:29:18.249 --> 00:29:19.579
[phone beeps]

637
00:29:20.650 --> 00:29:22.216
Jim Whitt, go.

638
00:29:22.218 --> 00:29:25.649
Jim, you have about 30 seconds
to get Kurt on the phone

639
00:29:25.651 --> 00:29:27.414
and convince him
to call a meeting

640
00:29:27.416 --> 00:29:28.616
<i>between NASA and our company</i>

641
00:29:28.618 --> 00:29:31.516
<i>to discuss the impending
catastrophic failure</i>

642
00:29:31.518 --> 00:29:33.482
of the primary
and secondary O-rings

643
00:29:33.484 --> 00:29:36.548
due to the cold temperature
of our scheduled launch time.

644
00:29:36.550 --> 00:29:37.881
[Adam] <i>You better hurry.</i>

645
00:29:37.883 --> 00:29:39.682
You better hold on
because it gets worse.

646
00:29:39.684 --> 00:29:40.748
What do you mean it gets worse?

647
00:29:40.750 --> 00:29:43.481
What could be worse
than a catastrophic failure?

648
00:29:43.483 --> 00:29:45.349
Transfer me over to Kurt.

649
00:29:45.351 --> 00:29:47.481
I don't know how to do that,
the girl that does the phones

650
00:29:47.483 --> 00:29:49.781
is gone for the day.

651
00:29:49.783 --> 00:29:54.482
Just hit transfer, receiver,
then extension 304.

652
00:29:54.484 --> 00:29:55.647
Okay. Here.

653
00:29:58.516 --> 00:29:59.580
Great.

654
00:30:04.584 --> 00:30:05.916
This is how you want
to play this, huh?

655
00:30:05.918 --> 00:30:08.214
- Frank, hold up.
- Like a junior high playground?

656
00:30:08.216 --> 00:30:10.215
Can we all just take a breath
and talk about this?

657
00:30:10.217 --> 00:30:11.415
No!

658
00:30:11.417 --> 00:30:13.550
The time for talking is over.

659
00:30:13.552 --> 00:30:16.682
It looks like I'm gonna to have
to single-handedly save

660
00:30:16.684 --> 00:30:18.617
- the space program.
- Save the space program?

661
00:30:18.619 --> 00:30:20.648
Do you even hear yourself?

662
00:30:20.650 --> 00:30:25.248
What good is a space program
that never launches into space?

663
00:30:27.815 --> 00:30:29.249
[Jim] <i>Kurt.</i>

664
00:30:29.251 --> 00:30:31.348
<i>We are having some major issues</i>

665
00:30:31.350 --> 00:30:33.184
<i>regarding the launch
tomorrow morning</i>

666
00:30:33.186 --> 00:30:35.417
<i>and we need to set up a meeting
with Marshall,</i>

667
00:30:35.419 --> 00:30:37.282
<i>Kennedy and our company.</i>

668
00:30:37.284 --> 00:30:39.215
Uh, temperature needs
to be discussed

669
00:30:39.217 --> 00:30:41.552
as well as our recovery
of the SRBs.

670
00:30:41.554 --> 00:30:43.382
Boats are being called back in
because of wind,

671
00:30:43.384 --> 00:30:46.116
which puts us in jeopardy
of losing our assets.

672
00:30:47.482 --> 00:30:49.315
That's correct.

673
00:30:49.317 --> 00:30:52.317
Yes, sir, uh, we could use
some management assistance

674
00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:54.949
setting up that meeting ASAP.

675
00:30:54.951 --> 00:30:57.551
And, Kurt,
I want to highly stress

676
00:30:57.553 --> 00:31:00.483
that this remain
an engineering decision.

677
00:31:01.816 --> 00:31:03.582
All right, thank you.

678
00:31:23.719 --> 00:31:25.383
Okay...

679
00:31:25.385 --> 00:31:26.914
Here's what we're gonna do.

680
00:31:26.916 --> 00:31:29.650
We're gonna get a meeting
with Kennedy Space Center

681
00:31:29.652 --> 00:31:33.415
and Marshall Space Flight Center
on a conference call.

682
00:31:33.417 --> 00:31:34.683
We're gonna convince them

683
00:31:34.685 --> 00:31:37.317
to push the launch window
a little bit.

684
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:40.882
We need those boats out there
and recover our rockets.

685
00:31:40.884 --> 00:31:43.184
Now, what's the argument
with the temperature?

686
00:31:43.186 --> 00:31:44.781
It's inconclusive.

687
00:31:44.783 --> 00:31:45.849
[overlapping banter]

688
00:31:45.851 --> 00:31:49.247
The temperature is outside
of our experience data,

689
00:31:49.249 --> 00:31:51.683
and you that we have been
getting erosion and blowby.

690
00:31:51.685 --> 00:31:54.251
It isn't the worst
at a lower temperature.

691
00:31:54.253 --> 00:31:55.348
Yes, it is.

692
00:31:55.350 --> 00:31:56.849
Not with erosion.

693
00:31:56.851 --> 00:31:58.950
What's the difference,
gentlemen?

694
00:31:58.952 --> 00:32:03.581
Erosion means that the rubber
hose seal is being eaten away.

695
00:32:03.583 --> 00:32:06.348
Blowby is the exhaust that
actually gets past the seals.

696
00:32:06.350 --> 00:32:09.550
And it's the blowby that gets
worse at the lower temperatures.

697
00:32:09.552 --> 00:32:10.751
The lower the temperature,

698
00:32:10.753 --> 00:32:14.916
the more the rocket exhaust
passes right past the seals.

699
00:32:14.918 --> 00:32:15.984
The greater the blowby,

700
00:32:15.986 --> 00:32:18.783
the greater the chance
of secondary seal failure.

701
00:32:18.785 --> 00:32:21.684
Secondary seal failure
equals catastrophic failure.

702
00:32:21.686 --> 00:32:23.482
Okay.

703
00:32:23.484 --> 00:32:27.283
We are going to argue
for a launch delay.

704
00:32:27.285 --> 00:32:30.918
And we are all going to be
in agreement, Frank.

705
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:33.418
Now NASA is pushing
for a launch,

706
00:32:33.420 --> 00:32:36.583
even though it could cost us
our rockets.

707
00:32:36.585 --> 00:32:38.551
It's the engineering.

708
00:32:38.553 --> 00:32:41.316
We need to push
because of the engineering.

709
00:32:41.318 --> 00:32:45.715
There is more at play here,
Adam, than the engineering.

710
00:32:45.717 --> 00:32:48.850
[Kurt] The danged media
keeps pushing and pushing.

711
00:32:48.852 --> 00:32:52.316
So much so that NASA
is staring down the barrel

712
00:32:52.318 --> 00:32:55.218
of another national
embarrassment.

713
00:32:55.220 --> 00:32:58.417
Especially after the handle
and all the delays.

714
00:32:58.419 --> 00:32:59.650
Who cares?

715
00:32:59.652 --> 00:33:01.351
Who cares?

716
00:33:01.353 --> 00:33:03.182
The people
who pay the bills care.

717
00:33:03.184 --> 00:33:04.749
- The taxpayers.
- Yeah, right.

718
00:33:04.751 --> 00:33:06.852
The Department of Defense
pays the bills,

719
00:33:06.854 --> 00:33:09.450
so their satellites
can catch a ride into orbit.

720
00:33:09.452 --> 00:33:12.485
And the DOD wants
what they paid for.

721
00:33:12.487 --> 00:33:14.783
If they don't get
what they paid for,

722
00:33:14.785 --> 00:33:16.683
they'll just go somewhere else.

723
00:33:16.685 --> 00:33:19.150
Where? Macy's?

724
00:33:19.851 --> 00:33:21.950
Maybe NASA and the DOD

725
00:33:21.952 --> 00:33:24.615
think it's time to invest
in a new horse,

726
00:33:24.617 --> 00:33:29.452
especially if this horse can't
get them where they wanna go.

727
00:33:29.454 --> 00:33:33.319
You think it's an engineering
problem, but it's not.

728
00:33:34.453 --> 00:33:35.815
It's an economic problem.

729
00:33:35.817 --> 00:33:38.218
Are we arguing to launch
or not launch?

730
00:33:38.220 --> 00:33:41.750
Yes, economics is a factor.
I thoroughly agree.

731
00:33:41.752 --> 00:33:43.885
- [Dean] However, the five of us.
- Five lepers.

732
00:33:43.887 --> 00:33:45.451
The five of us believe

733
00:33:45.453 --> 00:33:47.449
temperature
is the best argument.

734
00:33:47.451 --> 00:33:50.751
If NASA's loss is not greater
than our loss of the rockets,

735
00:33:50.753 --> 00:33:53.416
then the economic argument
will not work.

736
00:33:53.418 --> 00:33:56.752
However, if they are concerned
about the loss of their shuttle

737
00:33:56.754 --> 00:33:59.317
in an even
more embarrassing incident,

738
00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:00.618
then we should argue

739
00:34:00.620 --> 00:34:03.351
in the best interest
of their success.

740
00:34:03.353 --> 00:34:05.784
If we delay a few hours,

741
00:34:05.786 --> 00:34:07.551
temperature goes up,
right, Adam?

742
00:34:07.553 --> 00:34:08.553
Yes.

743
00:34:08.555 --> 00:34:10.886
And the rocket gets launched,
right, Frank?

744
00:34:12.318 --> 00:34:13.452
Yes.

745
00:34:13.454 --> 00:34:17.319
And our ships have a better shot
of recovering our SRBs,

746
00:34:17.321 --> 00:34:18.417
right, Kurt?

747
00:34:18.419 --> 00:34:20.482
[Kurt] Absolutely.

748
00:34:20.484 --> 00:34:22.284
[Dean] Then it seems to me
we have no other choice

749
00:34:22.286 --> 00:34:23.217
in the matter.

750
00:34:23.219 --> 00:34:25.286
It seems we have no choice
in the matter.

751
00:34:25.288 --> 00:34:29.450
[Bill] Sir, let us put together
an argument.

752
00:34:29.452 --> 00:34:34.485
We want to help the company,
NASA, the DOD, everyone.

753
00:34:42.254 --> 00:34:46.350
You have exactly 45 minutes
to get a presentation together.

754
00:34:46.352 --> 00:34:47.451
Forty-five minutes?

755
00:34:47.453 --> 00:34:49.482
As soon as this sentence
is done,

756
00:34:49.484 --> 00:34:51.248
I am picking up that phone,

757
00:34:51.250 --> 00:34:53.619
calling them
and setting the meeting.

758
00:34:53.621 --> 00:34:56.617
How are we supposed to get
this prepped in 45 minutes?

759
00:34:56.619 --> 00:34:57.717
[Kurt] Get him outta here.

760
00:34:57.719 --> 00:34:59.418
Kurt, this is a complex
technical issue,

761
00:34:59.420 --> 00:35:01.351
- we need more than 45 minutes.
- [Bill] Stop.

762
00:35:04.220 --> 00:35:05.350
Mr. Nelson?

763
00:35:05.352 --> 00:35:06.651
[Adam] <i>How are we supposed
to put together</i>

764
00:35:06.653 --> 00:35:09.285
a complex technical presentation

765
00:35:09.287 --> 00:35:12.551
and send it across America,
so Utah, Alabama and Florida

766
00:35:12.553 --> 00:35:14.817
can all see it all
within 45 measly minutes?

767
00:35:14.819 --> 00:35:15.785
We got the win.

768
00:35:15.787 --> 00:35:18.418
Oh, what was all that
about the economics?

769
00:35:18.420 --> 00:35:20.418
Adam, NASA has never gone

770
00:35:20.420 --> 00:35:22.518
against a contractor's
recommendation.

771
00:35:23.319 --> 00:35:24.485
We get the meeting.

772
00:35:24.487 --> 00:35:25.851
We tell them
we don't want to launch,

773
00:35:25.853 --> 00:35:27.085
they don't negate us, we win.

774
00:35:27.087 --> 00:35:29.685
Let's throw some stuff together
and get the launch delayed,

775
00:35:29.687 --> 00:35:31.318
and get to work on this thing,
you know?

776
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:33.682
Get it launched eventually,
so we can have jobs.

777
00:35:33.684 --> 00:35:36.751
If we do a halfway decent job,
we will be just fine.

778
00:35:36.753 --> 00:35:38.781
Oh, in 45 minutes?

779
00:35:38.783 --> 00:35:40.617
I'm starting to think
this was a bad idea.

780
00:35:40.619 --> 00:35:42.384
Why don't you just go home
for the night?

781
00:35:42.386 --> 00:35:43.853
No. We need everyone working.

782
00:35:43.855 --> 00:35:45.650
I used to think you only cared
about being right.

783
00:35:45.652 --> 00:35:47.583
- That's right.
- Now I think you only care about

784
00:35:47.585 --> 00:35:49.319
being at odds with everyone.

785
00:35:49.321 --> 00:35:51.616
What you think doesn't matter.

786
00:35:51.618 --> 00:35:54.185
I think what he thinks matters!

787
00:35:54.187 --> 00:35:56.484
What if we are chasing
a ghost here? Huh?

788
00:35:56.486 --> 00:35:57.618
A mad man's imagination.

789
00:35:57.620 --> 00:36:00.519
Why do we have to participate
in this death spiral?

790
00:36:00.521 --> 00:36:01.615
Because I'm the one who's right.

791
00:36:01.617 --> 00:36:04.183
- Yeah, says you.
- That's right, says me.

792
00:36:05.221 --> 00:36:07.417
I'm out.

793
00:36:07.419 --> 00:36:09.286
- Edwin, we need you.
- I don't need this.

794
00:36:09.288 --> 00:36:13.484
Ed, you have to look past
the argument and the number

795
00:36:13.486 --> 00:36:17.387
and the data and the O-rings
and see the man.

796
00:36:17.389 --> 00:36:19.285
All right, sometimes
he doesn't get it.

797
00:36:19.287 --> 00:36:21.718
He doesn't care about you,
he doesn't care about me.

798
00:36:21.720 --> 00:36:24.716
Hell, I don't even think
he cares about the engineering.

799
00:36:24.718 --> 00:36:25.952
But I do know
he cares about this,

800
00:36:25.954 --> 00:36:27.785
he cares about being right.

801
00:36:27.787 --> 00:36:31.219
And that's what I trust
and that's the truth.

802
00:36:31.221 --> 00:36:33.853
You gotta get past
his little show.

803
00:36:33.855 --> 00:36:35.716
- I trust him.
- Yeah, you trust everyone.

804
00:36:35.718 --> 00:36:36.652
I just wish I had another day.

805
00:36:36.654 --> 00:36:38.317
- What if he's wrong?
- What if he's right?

806
00:36:38.319 --> 00:36:39.920
- What if he's wrong?
- What if he's right?

807
00:36:39.922 --> 00:36:42.586
Whoa! Why is this our problem
all of a sudden?

808
00:36:42.588 --> 00:36:46.316
If we're wrong and we stop the
launch for no reason, we lose.

809
00:36:46.318 --> 00:36:48.186
If we're right and we stop
a launch, another launch,

810
00:36:48.188 --> 00:36:49.351
we lose.

811
00:36:49.353 --> 00:36:50.619
It's lose-lose.

812
00:36:50.621 --> 00:36:53.252
Because we are the only people
on the planet

813
00:36:53.254 --> 00:36:54.685
who know we don't know

814
00:36:54.687 --> 00:36:58.551
that there might possibly be,
maybe, a problem.

815
00:36:58.553 --> 00:37:00.218
[Carl] And it's the right thing
to do.

816
00:37:01.254 --> 00:37:02.685
[Dean] It is time to move.

817
00:37:04.288 --> 00:37:05.684
We split up.

818
00:37:05.686 --> 00:37:07.487
Five minutes to gather.

819
00:37:07.489 --> 00:37:09.318
[Bill] Fifteen minutes to sort.

820
00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:10.920
Fifteen minutes to chart.

821
00:37:10.922 --> 00:37:12.452
And fifteen minutes to send off.

822
00:37:12.454 --> 00:37:13.619
[Carl] That's 50 minutes.

823
00:37:13.621 --> 00:37:15.284
[Bill] We'll have to move faster
than time.

824
00:37:15.286 --> 00:37:16.687
We'll have to hand draw
our charts.

825
00:37:16.689 --> 00:37:20.651
Agreed. They are gonna want
a lot of statistics,

826
00:37:20.653 --> 00:37:23.584
so if you have any doubt,
just bring everything with you.

827
00:37:23.586 --> 00:37:25.348
How do we make
a presentation to people

828
00:37:25.350 --> 00:37:26.517
in three different parts
of the country

829
00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:28.784
in just under 40 minutes?

830
00:37:28.786 --> 00:37:31.784
It's 1986,
we are rocket scientists,

831
00:37:31.786 --> 00:37:33.418
we work with NASA.

832
00:37:33.420 --> 00:37:34.685
We are going to fax it.

833
00:37:43.720 --> 00:37:44.950
[interviewer] <i>Good evening.</i>

834
00:37:44.952 --> 00:37:47.287
<i>I'm joined tonight
by teacher turned astronaut.</i>

835
00:37:47.289 --> 00:37:50.584
<i>And the first civilian
to ever go into space.</i>

836
00:37:50.586 --> 00:37:52.487
<i>I have to start by asking you,</i>

837
00:37:52.489 --> 00:37:55.252
<i>what do you think
this is gonna mean for you</i>

838
00:37:55.254 --> 00:37:56.585
<i>after the mission?</i>

839
00:37:56.587 --> 00:37:59.516
<i>What are you going to do
when you return from space?</i>

840
00:37:59.518 --> 00:38:00.652
[astronaut] <i>I don't know.</i>

841
00:38:00.654 --> 00:38:02.817
<i>But I do know
that this is an adventure</i>

842
00:38:02.819 --> 00:38:03.853
<i>I couldn't say no to.</i>

843
00:38:03.855 --> 00:38:05.584
<i>I mean, to be able to go
into space</i>

844
00:38:05.586 --> 00:38:07.251
<i>and help school children learn</i>

845
00:38:07.253 --> 00:38:09.352
<i>and be more interested
in learning,</i>

846
00:38:09.354 --> 00:38:11.617
<i>that's what I'm really
looking forward to right now.</i>

847
00:38:11.619 --> 00:38:13.751
<i>At first, I was... I was nervous</i>

848
00:38:13.753 --> 00:38:15.615
<i>about what it would mean
for my family,</i>

849
00:38:15.617 --> 00:38:18.618
<i>and my husband, my kids,
my teaching career,</i>

850
00:38:18.620 --> 00:38:21.516
<i>but now I'm just looking forward
to the adventure ahead.</i>

851
00:38:21.518 --> 00:38:26.252
<i>You know, the great unknown,
not necessarily space, but life.</i>

852
00:38:26.254 --> 00:38:28.653
<i>Do you think it's really sunken
yet, you're going into space?</i>

853
00:38:28.655 --> 00:38:31.220
<i>No, absolutely not.</i>

854
00:38:31.222 --> 00:38:35.885
<i>I still can't believe
that I was chosen for this.</i>

855
00:38:35.887 --> 00:38:37.887
<i>You know, 50,000 people applied.</i>

856
00:38:37.889 --> 00:38:40.687
<i>I still remember putting
my letter into the mailbox,</i>

857
00:38:40.689 --> 00:38:42.886
<i>and thinking,
there are so many other people</i>

858
00:38:42.888 --> 00:38:44.852
<i>doing the exact same thing
right now.</i>

859
00:38:44.854 --> 00:38:46.951
<i>We were all alike that day.</i>

860
00:38:46.953 --> 00:38:50.685
<i>We all thought, "It could be me.
I have a chance at this."</i>

861
00:38:50.687 --> 00:38:52.653
<i>And then it was me and it's like
winning the lottery</i>

862
00:38:52.655 --> 00:38:55.918
<i>to be able to go into space
and blasting off in the shuttle.</i>

863
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:58.653
<i>I mean, I just feel like
I'm taking everyone here</i>

864
00:38:58.655 --> 00:39:00.420
<i>on earth up there with me.</i>

865
00:39:00.422 --> 00:39:02.154
[interviewer]
<i>Are you afraid at all?</i>

866
00:39:02.855 --> 00:39:04.819
<i>No. I don't think so.</i>

867
00:39:04.821 --> 00:39:06.951
<i>Who knows, though,
when we're actually strapped in</i>

868
00:39:06.953 --> 00:39:10.553
<i>and those massive rockets
are blasting us off into space.</i>

869
00:39:10.555 --> 00:39:11.852
<i>Yeah, that does sound
kinda scary.</i>

870
00:39:11.854 --> 00:39:14.919
<i>But I have the utmost confidence
in the thousands of people</i>

871
00:39:14.921 --> 00:39:16.655
<i>who make all of this happen.</i>

872
00:39:16.657 --> 00:39:20.351
<i>You know, these days,
space flight is very safe.</i>

873
00:39:20.353 --> 00:39:21.452
[interviewer]
<i>You know, recently,</i>

874
00:39:21.454 --> 00:39:23.418
<i>NASA has had a few delays.</i>

875
00:39:23.420 --> 00:39:27.320
<i>How, if at all, has that
affected the crew, mentally?</i>

876
00:39:27.322 --> 00:39:28.484
[astronaut]
<i>I mean, it's definitely,</i>

877
00:39:28.486 --> 00:39:29.685
<i>uh, been interesting.</i>

878
00:39:29.687 --> 00:39:31.785
<i>You get so excited about finally
taking this mission,</i>

879
00:39:31.787 --> 00:39:33.521
<i>and then it's delayed.</i>

880
00:39:33.523 --> 00:39:36.653
<i>But I know that the engineers
and everybody else involved</i>

881
00:39:36.655 --> 00:39:39.620
<i>are doing what they need to do
to make it as safe as possible.</i>

882
00:39:39.622 --> 00:39:41.953
<i>So, I have full confidence
in what they're doing</i>

883
00:39:41.955 --> 00:39:43.686
<i>and the decisions they make.</i>

884
00:39:43.688 --> 00:39:46.753
<i>If it needed to be postponed
then, you know, for our safety</i>

885
00:39:46.755 --> 00:39:50.587
<i>or for whatever reason
they have, then that's something</i>

886
00:39:50.589 --> 00:39:52.486
<i>that I think we're all
okay with.</i>

887
00:39:52.488 --> 00:39:54.253
[interviewer] <i>You know, at some
point in everyone's life,</i>

888
00:39:54.255 --> 00:39:56.189
<i>they dream
of being an astronaut.</i>

889
00:39:56.191 --> 00:39:57.619
<i>And you get to be one.</i>

890
00:39:57.621 --> 00:40:00.787
<i>Are you having fun,
has this been a fun experience?</i>

891
00:40:00.789 --> 00:40:02.684
<i>Oh, yes. So much fun.</i>

892
00:40:02.686 --> 00:40:05.219
<i>I... I love everyone
I work with.</i>

893
00:40:05.221 --> 00:40:09.518
<i>Commander Scobee
is a solid unflappable man.</i>

894
00:40:09.520 --> 00:40:14.484
<i>Uh, Mike and Ellison
are the hardest working,</i>

895
00:40:14.486 --> 00:40:16.385
<i>smartest people
you will ever meet.</i>

896
00:40:16.387 --> 00:40:19.852
<i>And Ron and Greg will...</i>

897
00:40:19.854 --> 00:40:21.751
<i>they make us laugh nonstop.</i>

898
00:40:21.753 --> 00:40:24.320
<i>Judi and I
have a lot of fun together.</i>

899
00:40:24.322 --> 00:40:25.952
<i>And, I mean, just as a team,</i>

900
00:40:25.954 --> 00:40:27.953
<i>we really have to rely
on one other.</i>

901
00:40:27.955 --> 00:40:29.721
[interviewer]
<i>Sounds like an amazing team.</i>

902
00:40:29.723 --> 00:40:31.286
[astronaut] <i>Oh, it is. I mean,</i>

903
00:40:31.288 --> 00:40:32.884
<i>all the way from the very top
of NASA</i>

904
00:40:32.886 --> 00:40:37.685
<i>down to the guys who clean
to the engineers in between</i>

905
00:40:37.687 --> 00:40:40.655
<i>who make sure that
this is as safe as possible.</i>

906
00:40:40.657 --> 00:40:43.452
<i>I mean, all these people
involved are what make it</i>

907
00:40:43.454 --> 00:40:44.818
<i>such an amazing experience.</i>

908
00:40:44.820 --> 00:40:46.720
<i>And it's...
I've had so much joy</i>

909
00:40:46.722 --> 00:40:49.353
<i>getting to be a part
of all of this.</i>

910
00:40:49.355 --> 00:40:51.554
<i>I know that all of my students,</i>

911
00:40:51.556 --> 00:40:53.319
<i>and even the students
at the elementary</i>

912
00:40:53.321 --> 00:40:54.687
<i>and the middle school</i>

913
00:40:54.689 --> 00:40:57.187
<i>that, uh, go to my high school,
that feed into my high school</i>

914
00:40:57.189 --> 00:40:58.352
<i>are all going to be watching.</i>

915
00:40:58.354 --> 00:40:59.919
<i>And I'm just so excited
to be there to wave</i>

916
00:40:59.921 --> 00:41:02.319
<i>at the cameras and see them
and, you know,</i>

917
00:41:02.321 --> 00:41:05.320
<i>let them see that your dreams
can come true.</i>

918
00:41:05.322 --> 00:41:07.554
<i>Uh, I mean,
who would've thought that I...</i>

919
00:41:07.556 --> 00:41:10.652
<i>I'm a high school science
teacher who's going into space.</i>

920
00:41:13.322 --> 00:41:15.320
[suspenseful music]

921
00:41:25.390 --> 00:41:27.387
[clock ticking]

922
00:41:59.190 --> 00:42:02.254
[Bill] We have no time. Let's go
and get this table out here.

923
00:42:02.888 --> 00:42:05.189
[overlapping chatter]

924
00:42:05.191 --> 00:42:06.822
Thank you, sir, appreciate it.

925
00:42:10.657 --> 00:42:12.486
Everything passed,
I need to have them.

926
00:42:12.488 --> 00:42:14.619
[Biil] What else do we need?
We need all sources.

927
00:42:17.455 --> 00:42:19.188
Come on,
we need the erosion charts

928
00:42:19.190 --> 00:42:21.522
- from STS-51-B.
- [Dean] That is 51-B.

929
00:42:21.524 --> 00:42:23.719
We need to 51-A and 60...

930
00:42:23.721 --> 00:42:26.288
Oh, I saw that one
in one of the brown folders.

931
00:42:26.290 --> 00:42:27.920
- Which one?
- Oh, uh, one of them.

932
00:42:27.922 --> 00:42:29.188
I'm not sure.

933
00:42:29.190 --> 00:42:31.488
I need all SRM recoveries to go.

934
00:42:31.490 --> 00:42:32.688
Go?

935
00:42:32.690 --> 00:42:34.721
- Go out or go in?
- [Bill] In.

936
00:42:35.923 --> 00:42:37.787
You need this one?

937
00:42:37.789 --> 00:42:39.552
Mm-hm.

938
00:42:39.554 --> 00:42:42.354
Should we separate the
soot levels from the erosion?

939
00:42:42.356 --> 00:42:45.219
No, I want them to see
the correlation.

940
00:42:45.221 --> 00:42:47.254
Should we make a main summary
of all the findings?

941
00:42:47.256 --> 00:42:48.520
Wait, wait, wait.

942
00:42:48.522 --> 00:42:54.222
We need 51-A, 51, uh, G,
and 51-F.

943
00:42:54.224 --> 00:42:56.219
"I" comes after that.

944
00:42:56.221 --> 00:42:57.420
"I" after "F."

945
00:42:57.422 --> 00:42:59.686
Why can't these be in order
and we call them Challenger

946
00:42:59.688 --> 00:43:01.351
and Discovery
and then the number?

947
00:43:01.353 --> 00:43:03.955
Well, because they didn't all go
in consecutive order.

948
00:43:03.957 --> 00:43:05.287
They're... they're all mixed up.

949
00:43:05.289 --> 00:43:06.421
It would just be
even more confusing.

950
00:43:06.423 --> 00:43:07.785
Right, more confusing.

951
00:43:07.787 --> 00:43:08.886
Does anyone else find it funny

952
00:43:08.888 --> 00:43:13.452
that we use labels 51-L
and 61-A, not the number 13?

953
00:43:13.454 --> 00:43:15.321
- Okay.
- Doesn't make sense to me.

954
00:43:15.323 --> 00:43:16.654
- Yeah, just me, okay.
- I blame it on Apollo.

955
00:43:16.656 --> 00:43:17.822
Okay.

956
00:43:17.824 --> 00:43:20.387
I'm missing another launch
from October.

957
00:43:20.389 --> 00:43:21.920
I've got the 30th.

958
00:43:21.922 --> 00:43:23.221
[Edwin]
Eighty-four or eighty-five?

959
00:43:23.223 --> 00:43:24.286
Eighty-five.

960
00:43:24.288 --> 00:43:27.520
Anyone have October
not 30th 1985?

961
00:43:27.522 --> 00:43:28.588
Anyone?

962
00:43:28.590 --> 00:43:29.785
Somebody talk to me.

963
00:43:29.787 --> 00:43:31.555
Adam?

964
00:43:31.557 --> 00:43:33.788
Adam. Get your head in the game.

965
00:43:34.823 --> 00:43:36.352
[Bill] Adam?

966
00:43:36.354 --> 00:43:38.652
You've never been more wrong
about anything.

967
00:43:39.757 --> 00:43:41.821
I get this more than you know.

968
00:43:44.790 --> 00:43:45.887
[Bill] Okay.

969
00:43:48.489 --> 00:43:51.453
I'm gonna go get a cup of...

970
00:43:54.423 --> 00:43:58.553
Hey, um, give me a hand
with these drawings, okay?

971
00:43:58.555 --> 00:44:00.586
You know he's our best shot.

972
00:44:00.588 --> 00:44:02.354
- I know.
- We know.

973
00:44:02.356 --> 00:44:04.388
Yeah, well...

974
00:44:04.390 --> 00:44:06.922
he has exactly nine minutes
to get it together.

975
00:44:06.924 --> 00:44:08.187
He better.

976
00:44:09.154 --> 00:44:11.221
As a matter of fact,
all of us need to throw

977
00:44:11.223 --> 00:44:13.321
some cold water on our faces
before we go in there.

978
00:44:14.555 --> 00:44:15.652
Agreed.

979
00:44:17.889 --> 00:44:20.954
[Finch] <i>When you prepared
for the telecon meeting,</i>

980
00:44:20.956 --> 00:44:22.619
had anything changed
in your plan

981
00:44:22.621 --> 00:44:24.419
to approach your higher-ups?

982
00:44:28.223 --> 00:44:29.286
No.

983
00:44:30.191 --> 00:44:31.187
[Mary] <i>Hello?</i>

984
00:44:32.790 --> 00:44:33.953
Hey.

985
00:44:33.955 --> 00:44:36.587
Hey. How's it going over there?

986
00:44:38.189 --> 00:44:39.820
Oh, I got what I wanted,

987
00:44:39.822 --> 00:44:42.254
just not the way that I wanted.

988
00:44:43.822 --> 00:44:45.286
Is it the temperature?

989
00:44:46.391 --> 00:44:48.186
<i>Yes.</i>

990
00:44:48.188 --> 00:44:49.720
<i>The fluorocarbon elastomer.</i>

991
00:44:49.722 --> 00:44:51.121
Yes.

992
00:44:54.722 --> 00:44:56.321
You're the only ones.

993
00:44:56.323 --> 00:44:57.553
There's no one else.

994
00:45:01.323 --> 00:45:02.354
Mm-hm.

995
00:45:05.290 --> 00:45:08.887
<i>You have a human problem,
not an engineering problem.</i>

996
00:45:14.891 --> 00:45:16.356
What's next?

997
00:45:17.490 --> 00:45:19.321
What do you have
right in front of you

998
00:45:19.323 --> 00:45:20.753
that you have to do right now?

999
00:45:24.222 --> 00:45:26.387
Stand... stand up and go
in the conference room.

1000
00:45:27.556 --> 00:45:28.786
<i>And then what?</i>

1001
00:45:30.723 --> 00:45:32.788
Make sure everyone
has the right documents.

1002
00:45:34.257 --> 00:45:35.387
Then what?

1003
00:45:39.290 --> 00:45:40.756
I'll check the temperature
correlations

1004
00:45:40.758 --> 00:45:42.590
to blowby and seal integrity.

1005
00:45:44.657 --> 00:45:45.756
Good.

1006
00:45:45.758 --> 00:45:47.255
You can do this.

1007
00:45:55.855 --> 00:45:56.886
Mary?

1008
00:46:00.225 --> 00:46:01.422
<i>I know.</i>

1009
00:46:05.691 --> 00:46:07.722
[thrilling music]

1010
00:46:19.957 --> 00:46:21.254
[keys jangling]

1011
00:46:31.856 --> 00:46:38.289
<i>♪ Divided we stand now
Then later take the fall ♪</i>

1012
00:46:38.291 --> 00:46:41.721
<i>♪ As working boys
Ain't got a chance ♪</i>

1013
00:46:41.723 --> 00:46:44.653
<i>♪ Unless we stand up tall ♪</i>

1014
00:46:46.656 --> 00:46:49.855
<i>♪ Whose side are you on, oh ♪</i>

1015
00:46:49.857 --> 00:46:52.588
<i>♪ Whose side are you on? ♪</i>

1016
00:46:52.590 --> 00:46:55.688
<i>♪ Oh ♪</i>

1017
00:47:08.256 --> 00:47:09.286
[Dean retches]

1018
00:47:12.925 --> 00:47:16.389
<i>♪ My daddy was a working man ♪</i>

1019
00:47:16.391 --> 00:47:19.755
<i>♪ Sinners to the sun ♪</i>

1020
00:47:19.757 --> 00:47:22.822
<i>♪ We ain't gonna stop ♪</i>

1021
00:47:22.824 --> 00:47:26.255
<i>♪ Until it's set and done ♪</i>

1022
00:47:26.257 --> 00:47:29.356
<i>♪ The power of the son in hand ♪</i>

1023
00:47:29.358 --> 00:47:32.589
<i>♪ There ain't no
Neutrals there ♪</i>

1024
00:47:32.591 --> 00:47:35.887
<i>♪ You're either be a madman ♪</i>

1025
00:47:35.889 --> 00:47:38.553
<i>♪ Or a surk who doesn't care ♪</i>

1026
00:47:44.491 --> 00:47:47.453
<i>♪ Whose side are you on, oh ♪</i>

1027
00:47:47.455 --> 00:47:50.188
<i>♪ Whose side are you on? ♪</i>

1028
00:47:50.190 --> 00:47:52.822
<i>♪ Oh ♪</i>

1029
00:47:59.257 --> 00:48:02.423
<i>♪ Whose side are you on, oh ♪</i>

1030
00:48:02.425 --> 00:48:04.955
<i>♪ Whose side are you on? ♪</i>

1031
00:48:04.957 --> 00:48:07.722
<i>♪ Oh ♪</i>

1032
00:48:11.926 --> 00:48:18.423
<i>♪ Divided we stand now
Then later take the fall ♪</i>

1033
00:48:18.425 --> 00:48:21.722
<i>♪ As working boys
Ain't got a chance ♪</i>

1034
00:48:22.791 --> 00:48:23.855
Yeah.

1035
00:48:28.693 --> 00:48:34.225
<i>♪ Unless we stand up tall ♪</i>

1036
00:48:41.491 --> 00:48:43.155
We are all here, gentlemen.

1037
00:48:44.657 --> 00:48:45.922
[Jim] <i>This is Jim,</i>

1038
00:48:45.924 --> 00:48:48.686
The Company's flight engineer
here at Kennedy Space Center.

1039
00:48:48.688 --> 00:48:50.289
[Nelson]
Good evening, gentlemen.

1040
00:48:50.291 --> 00:48:52.390
Anyone from Marshall on yet?

1041
00:48:52.392 --> 00:48:56.390
Uh, yes. Sid, Rust,
and Pat here.

1042
00:48:56.392 --> 00:48:58.656
[Nelson] <i>All right, what seems
to be the issue here?</i>

1043
00:48:58.658 --> 00:49:01.455
Our best seal expert Adam

1044
00:49:01.457 --> 00:49:04.623
has some concerns
about the temperature.

1045
00:49:04.625 --> 00:49:07.657
I can't stress enough
how important it is

1046
00:49:07.659 --> 00:49:10.324
that how long it takes
for these O-rings to seal

1047
00:49:10.326 --> 00:49:15.356
after they are compressed
is vital to a successful launch.

1048
00:49:15.358 --> 00:49:18.356
The bottom line is
the colder it gets,

1049
00:49:18.358 --> 00:49:22.225
the further we move away
from the direction of goodness.

1050
00:49:22.227 --> 00:49:23.622
What do you mean
we're moving away

1051
00:49:23.624 --> 00:49:26.589
from the direction of goodness?

1052
00:49:26.591 --> 00:49:29.589
The ability for the seals
to expand in their grooves

1053
00:49:29.591 --> 00:49:32.590
is reduced as a function
of temperature,

1054
00:49:32.592 --> 00:49:36.688
that's when the exhaust blows
right by the gap created,

1055
00:49:36.690 --> 00:49:40.756
burns a hole in the side,
and explodes.

1056
00:49:40.758 --> 00:49:42.689
You have a history of seal
and erosion

1057
00:49:42.691 --> 00:49:45.354
and blowby correlation
from previous relevant launches.

1058
00:49:45.356 --> 00:49:47.387
Pages nine through twenty.

1059
00:49:49.726 --> 00:49:52.891
Yes, there are... there... there
are two seals on each joint.

1060
00:49:52.893 --> 00:49:56.755
Now, we have seen the primary
seal breached in the past.

1061
00:49:56.757 --> 00:49:58.190
And we have all discussed

1062
00:49:58.192 --> 00:50:00.490
the primary seal
being compromised,

1063
00:50:01.857 --> 00:50:03.758
and we have all concluded

1064
00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:06.458
that this is an acceptable level
of failure

1065
00:50:06.460 --> 00:50:10.389
if we are confident
the second seal will hold.

1066
00:50:10.391 --> 00:50:14.388
We are unsure the secondary seal
will hold at these temperatures.

1067
00:50:16.426 --> 00:50:19.355
[Nelson] <i>So, you don't know?</i>

1068
00:50:21.725 --> 00:50:23.792
We know that we don't know.

1069
00:50:23.794 --> 00:50:26.690
Never has a contractor
spoken more truly.

1070
00:50:26.692 --> 00:50:28.191
Well, thank you, Marshall.

1071
00:50:28.193 --> 00:50:30.590
We try to keep a handle
on things,

1072
00:50:30.592 --> 00:50:33.690
though not as good as you guys.

1073
00:50:33.692 --> 00:50:35.489
[Pat] <i>We have enough time
to make jokes,</i>

1074
00:50:35.491 --> 00:50:37.557
but we don't have enough time
to fix seals.

1075
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:40.593
If the seals are a problem,
then why aren't they

1076
00:50:40.595 --> 00:50:44.290
in the problem assessment system
documents we have here?

1077
00:50:44.292 --> 00:50:47.256
And why are we just hearing
about it now, tonight?

1078
00:50:47.258 --> 00:50:49.589
Yeah, I'm gonna let our
problem assessment expert

1079
00:50:49.591 --> 00:50:51.393
handle that one.

1080
00:50:51.395 --> 00:50:52.558
Frank?

1081
00:50:54.293 --> 00:51:00.590
Uh, because it looks
to be like that

1082
00:51:00.592 --> 00:51:03.191
we left them off
of the document.

1083
00:51:03.892 --> 00:51:05.423
Because it was fixed?

1084
00:51:06.193 --> 00:51:07.425
[Frank] No, sir.

1085
00:51:07.427 --> 00:51:09.358
Because they were always
on there.

1086
00:51:10.492 --> 00:51:12.390
[Nelson] I don't understand.

1087
00:51:12.392 --> 00:51:14.292
[Pat] <i>So you're saying
we took a problem</i>

1088
00:51:14.294 --> 00:51:16.659
of the problem assessment system

1089
00:51:16.661 --> 00:51:18.891
because it's still a problem?

1090
00:51:18.893 --> 00:51:24.357
We all agreed
that these ongoing problems

1091
00:51:24.359 --> 00:51:28.789
were cluttering up the PASes,
no one was looking at them.

1092
00:51:28.791 --> 00:51:31.321
And the things that we took off

1093
00:51:31.323 --> 00:51:34.490
were to be handled
by a special committee.

1094
00:51:34.492 --> 00:51:37.388
Uh, seems like,
what's the main seal guy's name?

1095
00:51:37.390 --> 00:51:38.356
[Kurt] <i>Adam.</i>

1096
00:51:38.358 --> 00:51:41.725
Seems like Adam thinks
the problem isn't fixed.

1097
00:51:41.727 --> 00:51:43.790
We all agreed
the problem is acceptable.

1098
00:51:43.792 --> 00:51:46.690
We've never launched a shuttle
below 53 Degrees

1099
00:51:46.692 --> 00:51:48.821
and we're moving
into the coldest launch

1100
00:51:48.823 --> 00:51:50.623
in NASA's history.

1101
00:51:50.625 --> 00:51:53.622
So you're changing
the launch criteria

1102
00:51:53.624 --> 00:51:59.222
from 40 degrees to 53 degrees
the night before the launch?

1103
00:51:59.224 --> 00:52:02.189
We're saying
this is our data limitation.

1104
00:52:02.191 --> 00:52:04.692
When we run tests
and squeeze the rubber...

1105
00:52:04.694 --> 00:52:06.957
Look at page 38.

1106
00:52:06.959 --> 00:52:09.324
When we squeeze it
at 100 degrees,

1107
00:52:09.326 --> 00:52:12.424
and then let off the pressure
we never lose contact,

1108
00:52:12.426 --> 00:52:15.293
but at 50 degrees
when we let off the pressure,

1109
00:52:15.295 --> 00:52:16.557
it takes a few minutes

1110
00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:19.324
for the rubber
to spring back into place.

1111
00:52:19.326 --> 00:52:21.525
[Nelson] <i>Your test does not
represent reality.</i>

1112
00:52:21.527 --> 00:52:24.224
<i>The O-rings are constantly
under pressure,</i>

1113
00:52:24.226 --> 00:52:26.492
your conclusion is not logical.

1114
00:52:26.494 --> 00:52:28.256
It is logical.

1115
00:52:28.258 --> 00:52:30.691
It proves that the fluorocarbon
elastomer rubber

1116
00:52:30.693 --> 00:52:33.223
is absolutely affected
by temperature.

1117
00:52:33.225 --> 00:52:35.756
If we lose the seal
for a tenth of a second,

1118
00:52:35.758 --> 00:52:38.589
the hot fire and gases
could blowby the seal

1119
00:52:38.591 --> 00:52:41.490
and erode the O-ring,
which we have seen happen.

1120
00:52:41.492 --> 00:52:44.556
And if the secondary backup
O-ring does the same thing,

1121
00:52:44.558 --> 00:52:45.688
is compromised...

1122
00:52:47.192 --> 00:52:48.958
that's the ball game.

1123
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:52.524
We've seen blowby
on STS-61-A also.

1124
00:52:52.526 --> 00:52:54.760
It's page four.

1125
00:52:54.762 --> 00:52:58.624
It says here that the launch
went off at 75 degrees

1126
00:52:58.626 --> 00:53:00.392
and you got blowby.

1127
00:53:00.394 --> 00:53:01.856
[Nelson] I just don't understand

1128
00:53:01.858 --> 00:53:03.690
how you can determine
temperature

1129
00:53:03.692 --> 00:53:05.425
<i>is the deciding factor.</i>

1130
00:53:05.427 --> 00:53:08.491
[Adam] Yeah, I'd like to answer
that one please.

1131
00:53:08.493 --> 00:53:10.958
I just don't understand
how you don't understand

1132
00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:14.224
that the cold makes rubber
harder and less flexible.

1133
00:53:14.226 --> 00:53:18.658
It's warm, there's blowby.
It's cold, there's blowby.

1134
00:53:18.660 --> 00:53:20.925
[Nelson]
<i>It's warm, there's erosion.</i>

1135
00:53:20.927 --> 00:53:23.289
<i>It's cold, there's erosion.</i>

1136
00:53:23.291 --> 00:53:26.925
It doesn't seem to matter
what temperature it is.

1137
00:53:26.927 --> 00:53:29.591
Yeah, if you'll just look at it
with a rudimentary pass-fail,

1138
00:53:29.593 --> 00:53:31.924
then, yes,
they both get blowby.

1139
00:53:31.926 --> 00:53:34.393
But if you get scientific
about it,

1140
00:53:34.395 --> 00:53:35.924
at the colder temperatures,

1141
00:53:35.926 --> 00:53:38.725
the soot from the blowby
is jet-black.

1142
00:53:38.727 --> 00:53:43.191
At 75 degrees, the soot from the
blowby is light gray, spotty.

1143
00:53:43.193 --> 00:53:44.526
I examined them myself.

1144
00:53:44.528 --> 00:53:45.923
Now, if you can't see
the difference,

1145
00:53:45.925 --> 00:53:47.159
<i>I can't help you.</i>

1146
00:53:47.161 --> 00:53:50.892
<i>We have seen primary
seal failure in the past.</i>

1147
00:53:50.894 --> 00:53:53.359
And if you see
primary seal failure,

1148
00:53:53.361 --> 00:53:56.594
then there is a high probability
of secondary seal failure

1149
00:53:56.596 --> 00:53:58.524
within the first second
of ignition

1150
00:53:58.526 --> 00:54:00.926
when the rocket flexes
at the joint.

1151
00:54:00.928 --> 00:54:02.890
And it will flex.

1152
00:54:02.892 --> 00:54:05.825
And when the seals
are compromised, you get blowby.

1153
00:54:05.827 --> 00:54:07.894
The blowby erodes the seals.

1154
00:54:07.896 --> 00:54:09.825
And that's when you have
rocket flames

1155
00:54:09.827 --> 00:54:12.325
shooting out the side
instead of the bottom.

1156
00:54:12.327 --> 00:54:16.424
And you have never seen
secondary backup seal failure?

1157
00:54:16.426 --> 00:54:18.225
Actually, we have.

1158
00:54:18.227 --> 00:54:24.459
STS-51-B, the secondary O-ring
suffered 12% erosion.

1159
00:54:24.461 --> 00:54:26.491
So why wasn't that
the ball game, Bill?

1160
00:54:26.493 --> 00:54:27.690
[Bill] <i>What do you mean?</i>

1161
00:54:27.692 --> 00:54:29.326
Well, you said earlier,

1162
00:54:29.328 --> 00:54:31.456
that if we have secondary
seal failure,

1163
00:54:31.458 --> 00:54:33.456
it would be the ball game.

1164
00:54:33.458 --> 00:54:35.425
This says it's happened before.

1165
00:54:35.427 --> 00:54:36.956
Just because we done it once

1166
00:54:36.958 --> 00:54:38.257
doesn't mean
we could do it again.

1167
00:54:38.259 --> 00:54:39.624
We did it by the skin
of our teeth.

1168
00:54:39.626 --> 00:54:41.957
Is this how we're going
to keep going?

1169
00:54:41.959 --> 00:54:44.258
Like a child who runs out
into the road

1170
00:54:44.260 --> 00:54:45.524
and nothing happens.

1171
00:54:45.526 --> 00:54:46.526
He says, "See, I'm just fine.

1172
00:54:46.528 --> 00:54:48.557
Let's just keep on running out
into the road."

1173
00:54:48.559 --> 00:54:50.191
And the parents do nothing?

1174
00:54:50.193 --> 00:54:51.293
Oh.

1175
00:54:51.295 --> 00:54:52.460
So you're the parent?

1176
00:54:52.462 --> 00:54:53.657
Someone has to be.

1177
00:54:53.659 --> 00:54:55.925
I just can't believe that
it's a function of temperature.

1178
00:54:55.927 --> 00:54:57.860
The data is inconclusive.

1179
00:54:57.862 --> 00:55:00.958
I can't accept
this train of thought.

1180
00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:02.659
If you take a look
at the synopsis,

1181
00:55:02.661 --> 00:55:04.724
we should not launch
with an O-ring temperature

1182
00:55:04.726 --> 00:55:07.191
below 53 degrees Fahrenheit.

1183
00:55:07.193 --> 00:55:09.560
It shouldn't matter that we've
skirted disaster in the past.

1184
00:55:09.562 --> 00:55:11.892
The odds will catch
with us eventually.

1185
00:55:11.894 --> 00:55:14.158
[Nelson] <i>Quantify your results.</i>

1186
00:55:16.861 --> 00:55:18.458
Quantify?

1187
00:55:18.460 --> 00:55:21.290
What is the probability
of primary

1188
00:55:21.292 --> 00:55:23.757
and secondary O-ring failure?

1189
00:55:23.759 --> 00:55:25.960
I don't understand
your question.

1190
00:55:25.962 --> 00:55:27.724
[Nelson] <i>Quantify!</i>

1191
00:55:27.726 --> 00:55:30.825
How do you quantify
a train is coming?

1192
00:55:30.827 --> 00:55:33.892
You look down the tracks
and you see a train is coming.

1193
00:55:33.894 --> 00:55:37.957
I am telling you to do it.
Quantify your results!

1194
00:55:37.959 --> 00:55:40.692
No, I can't.
I can't do that with this data!

1195
00:55:40.694 --> 00:55:43.723
I can only work with the data
in front of me.

1196
00:55:43.725 --> 00:55:45.792
You're giving me oranges

1197
00:55:45.794 --> 00:55:47.859
and asking me to bake you
an apple pie.

1198
00:55:47.861 --> 00:55:49.658
I can't do that.

1199
00:55:49.660 --> 00:55:53.693
What I can quantify
with 100% accuracy

1200
00:55:53.695 --> 00:55:55.624
is that right now
we are moving away

1201
00:55:55.626 --> 00:55:57.925
from the direction of goodness.

1202
00:55:57.927 --> 00:56:01.458
I don't... I don't understand
this conversation. I...

1203
00:56:01.460 --> 00:56:04.560
The facts don't lie!

1204
00:56:04.562 --> 00:56:06.591
I don't understand
how you can see the facts

1205
00:56:06.593 --> 00:56:08.393
and they don't convince you.

1206
00:56:08.395 --> 00:56:10.526
Cold rubber doesn't lie.

1207
00:56:10.528 --> 00:56:12.692
Recovered rockets don't lie.

1208
00:56:12.694 --> 00:56:15.859
Burned up,
charred up O-rings don't lie.

1209
00:56:17.626 --> 00:56:19.561
I'm right about this.

1210
00:56:19.563 --> 00:56:20.626
I am.

1211
00:56:22.329 --> 00:56:26.326
You hired me to do a job,
and by God, I'm gonna do it.

1212
00:56:26.328 --> 00:56:31.926
And I don't care if it ruins me,
or you, or NASA

1213
00:56:31.928 --> 00:56:34.260
or anybody else, you get me?

1214
00:56:38.562 --> 00:56:39.726
[Sid] <i>So what do you think, Pat?</i>

1215
00:56:41.195 --> 00:56:42.625
I am appalled
that you would dare

1216
00:56:42.627 --> 00:56:44.527
to make such a recommendation.

1217
00:56:44.529 --> 00:56:48.393
And change the flight criteria
the night before a launch?

1218
00:56:49.462 --> 00:56:50.427
Look here,

1219
00:56:50.429 --> 00:56:54.560
it is expected to be
29-39 degrees tomorrow.

1220
00:56:54.562 --> 00:56:56.492
Even your high temperature

1221
00:56:56.494 --> 00:56:58.457
is outside
of our data experience.

1222
00:56:59.562 --> 00:57:01.559
Haven't you been
getting ice already?

1223
00:57:04.263 --> 00:57:05.326
Fine.

1224
00:57:05.328 --> 00:57:07.726
I'm not gonna go against
a contractor's assessment.

1225
00:57:10.761 --> 00:57:14.391
When do you want me to launch?
Next April?

1226
00:57:20.695 --> 00:57:23.626
[Nelson] <i>I can't go against
a contractor's recommendation</i>

1227
00:57:23.628 --> 00:57:24.659
<i>to stop the launch.</i>

1228
00:57:32.928 --> 00:57:34.125
Pat?

1229
00:57:35.893 --> 00:57:37.157
Jim?

1230
00:57:38.393 --> 00:57:40.727
This has to be
an engineering decision,

1231
00:57:40.729 --> 00:57:42.695
not program or management.

1232
00:57:44.228 --> 00:57:46.791
Kurt? You wanna give us a final?

1233
00:57:46.793 --> 00:57:49.890
Uh, can you give us
about five minutes, please?

1234
00:57:50.962 --> 00:57:52.225
[Nelson] <i>Yes. You bet.</i>

1235
00:57:52.227 --> 00:57:53.357
Thank you.

1236
00:57:54.796 --> 00:57:58.424
This is so backwards.

1237
00:57:58.426 --> 00:58:01.859
Generating new launch criteria
the night before you launch,

1238
00:58:01.861 --> 00:58:03.958
that's backwards.

1239
00:58:03.960 --> 00:58:07.226
I suspect our guys
are gathering more data,

1240
00:58:07.228 --> 00:58:08.262
running numbers to come up

1241
00:58:08.264 --> 00:58:10.760
with a more accurate
temperature launch window.

1242
00:58:12.827 --> 00:58:15.459
Whatever they're doing,
they had better come back

1243
00:58:15.461 --> 00:58:17.758
with a way to quantify
their recommendation.

1244
00:58:23.194 --> 00:58:24.294
What was that?

1245
00:58:24.296 --> 00:58:26.893
So now we have to prove
that something doesn't work?

1246
00:58:26.895 --> 00:58:29.193
Instead of having to prove
that it does work?

1247
00:58:29.195 --> 00:58:36.192
[whispering]

1248
00:58:39.696 --> 00:58:41.627
We need to make
a management decision.

1249
00:58:41.629 --> 00:58:43.193
We can't do that.

1250
00:58:45.528 --> 00:58:48.524
Please, look at the chart
in front of you.

1251
00:58:50.229 --> 00:58:51.793
If Bill...
if it tell say nothing,

1252
00:58:51.795 --> 00:58:54.893
let them show you
our uncertainty.

1253
00:58:54.895 --> 00:58:57.792
We cannot guarantee a good seal!
[thumps on table]

1254
00:59:02.495 --> 00:59:03.793
I don't know what else to say.

1255
00:59:08.195 --> 00:59:09.692
Black soot. Look at 'em.

1256
00:59:10.727 --> 00:59:11.959
Look at 'em!

1257
00:59:11.961 --> 00:59:14.895
[Lester] Data is inconclusive.

1258
00:59:14.897 --> 00:59:17.560
I wouldn't get
on that shuttle tomorrow.

1259
00:59:17.562 --> 00:59:19.726
You're not an astronaut.

1260
00:59:19.728 --> 00:59:21.759
That's right.
I'm not an astronaut.

1261
00:59:21.761 --> 00:59:23.891
But their lives
are in our hands.

1262
00:59:25.196 --> 00:59:26.930
Would you get on that shuttle?

1263
00:59:26.932 --> 00:59:28.327
They know the risks.

1264
00:59:28.329 --> 00:59:30.227
And that's not our concern.

1265
00:59:31.362 --> 00:59:32.392
What?

1266
00:59:34.829 --> 00:59:37.595
- What kind of a man are you?
- [Kurt] Adam!

1267
00:59:37.597 --> 00:59:40.962
Who... How dare you play
with human life like that?

1268
00:59:40.964 --> 00:59:44.326
Who do you think you are?
God? Huh?

1269
00:59:44.328 --> 00:59:47.658
You think you get to decide
who lives and who dies?

1270
00:59:50.428 --> 00:59:53.528
This is despicable
is what this is.

1271
00:59:53.530 --> 00:59:56.427
You're a weak,
spineless man, who can't...

1272
00:59:56.429 --> 01:00:01.825
won't give these poor souls
a chance, so... so what?

1273
01:00:01.827 --> 01:00:03.926
So we can keep our stupid jobs?

1274
01:00:03.928 --> 01:00:08.393
And make an extra buck or two?
Huh?

1275
01:00:08.395 --> 01:00:11.194
You're willing to drive right up
to the edge of the cliff,

1276
01:00:11.196 --> 01:00:14.493
just to see how close
you can get without falling off.

1277
01:00:14.495 --> 01:00:16.494
You're gonna fall off tomorrow.

1278
01:00:18.261 --> 01:00:20.561
I tell you what,
why don't you put on

1279
01:00:20.563 --> 01:00:22.594
one of those pretty
blue costumes and a helmet,

1280
01:00:22.596 --> 01:00:24.393
drive yourself down to that cage

1281
01:00:24.395 --> 01:00:26.358
with a bomb strapped under it,
huh?

1282
01:00:26.360 --> 01:00:29.959
Better yet, why don't you invite
your wife or your daughter?

1283
01:00:29.961 --> 01:00:33.158
This is not a management
decision.

1284
01:01:05.495 --> 01:01:07.828
NASA, we took a second look
at our data,

1285
01:01:07.830 --> 01:01:09.728
and we've determined
that it is inconclusive.

1286
01:01:10.797 --> 01:01:12.294
Our recommendation is to launch.

1287
01:01:14.460 --> 01:01:16.360
[Pat]
<i>Are there any disagreements?</i>

1288
01:01:18.398 --> 01:01:19.461
<i>Then it's a go.</i>

1289
01:01:21.262 --> 01:01:22.259
[Carl inhales sharply]

1290
01:01:24.197 --> 01:01:25.827
[Larry] <i>Why didn't you speak up
after that?</i>

1291
01:01:27.698 --> 01:01:29.161
Why did you stay silent?

1292
01:01:31.395 --> 01:01:33.160
You guys were the engineers.

1293
01:01:33.930 --> 01:01:35.560
You should have said something.

1294
01:01:38.564 --> 01:01:39.862
I don't know
what to say to that.

1295
01:01:42.829 --> 01:01:47.492
That's exactly why you need
our help, to get through this.

1296
01:01:47.494 --> 01:01:49.259
These questions
are gonna come up.

1297
01:01:51.298 --> 01:01:52.497
You need to have an answer.

1298
01:01:52.499 --> 01:01:56.428
Can you fax over a flight
recommendation to get signed?

1299
01:01:56.430 --> 01:01:57.930
Right away.

1300
01:01:57.932 --> 01:02:00.462
[fax machine whirring]

1301
01:02:10.795 --> 01:02:13.427
Please sign this.

1302
01:02:13.429 --> 01:02:15.526
Oh, no.

1303
01:02:15.528 --> 01:02:19.428
We need someone
from your company to sign this.

1304
01:02:19.430 --> 01:02:20.760
I'm not signing that.

1305
01:02:27.897 --> 01:02:30.195
Can we have someone
from your end

1306
01:02:30.197 --> 01:02:35.562
sign a flight recommendation
and fax it over, please?

1307
01:02:37.299 --> 01:02:38.295
[Myron] <i>Right away.</i>

1308
01:02:43.461 --> 01:02:45.562
The recovery boats
coming back in

1309
01:02:45.564 --> 01:02:47.194
was enough to scrap the launch.

1310
01:02:47.196 --> 01:02:48.863
The wind was enough
to scrap the launch.

1311
01:02:48.865 --> 01:02:50.862
The ice was enough
to scrap the launch.

1312
01:02:50.864 --> 01:02:53.629
Let alone your contractor
safety concerns.

1313
01:03:04.697 --> 01:03:06.526
If something happens tomorrow,

1314
01:03:06.528 --> 01:03:08.562
I wouldn't want to be the one
to stand up in front

1315
01:03:08.564 --> 01:03:10.896
of some board of inquisition
and give testimony

1316
01:03:10.898 --> 01:03:14.527
as to why I chose to launch
against the qualifications

1317
01:03:14.529 --> 01:03:17.228
and recommendations
of my engineers.

1318
01:03:20.297 --> 01:03:21.327
[groans]

1319
01:03:24.931 --> 01:03:27.130
[somber music]

1320
01:03:46.964 --> 01:03:49.162
[somber music continues]

1321
01:04:25.663 --> 01:04:27.661
[engine revving]

1322
01:04:52.963 --> 01:04:55.161
[somber music]

1323
01:05:49.197 --> 01:05:51.629
[clock ticking]

1324
01:05:51.631 --> 01:05:53.263
[announcer]
<i>The T-minus ten seconds</i>

1325
01:05:53.265 --> 01:05:56.296
<i>to burn off any residual
hydrogen gas.</i>

1326
01:05:56.298 --> 01:05:59.230
<i>T-minus 45 seconds and counting.</i>

1327
01:05:59.232 --> 01:06:02.328
<i>The Solid Rocket Booster
flight instrumentation reporters</i>

1328
01:06:02.330 --> 01:06:04.262
<i>have gone into the record mode.</i>

1329
01:06:07.398 --> 01:06:10.960
<i>Coming up on the 32nd point
in our countdown.</i>

1330
01:06:10.962 --> 01:06:14.363
<i>The SRB hydraulic power
units have started.</i>

1331
01:06:14.365 --> 01:06:15.897
<i>T-minus 21 seconds.</i>

1332
01:06:15.899 --> 01:06:19.697
<i>And the Solid Rocket Booster
engine gimbal is now underway.</i>

1333
01:06:20.966 --> 01:06:22.830
<i>T-minus 15 seconds.</i>

1334
01:06:25.497 --> 01:06:27.398
<i>T-minus ten.</i>

1335
01:06:27.400 --> 01:06:30.895
<i>Nine, eight, seven, six...</i>

1336
01:06:30.897 --> 01:06:32.864
<i>We have main engine start.</i>

1337
01:06:32.866 --> 01:06:36.728
<i>...four, three, two, one.</i>

1338
01:06:36.730 --> 01:06:38.399
<i>And lift off.</i>

1339
01:06:38.401 --> 01:06:41.629
<i>Lift of from the 25th
space shuttle mission</i>

1340
01:06:41.631 --> 01:06:43.195
<i>and it has cleared the tower.</i>

1341
01:06:44.200 --> 01:06:48.664
[indistinct radio chatter]

1342
01:06:48.666 --> 01:06:51.663
[rumbling]

1343
01:06:54.533 --> 01:06:56.397
[man #1] <i>Challenger now
heading down range.</i>

1344
01:07:04.666 --> 01:07:08.697
<i>Engine's beginning throttling
now at 94 percent.</i>

1345
01:07:08.699 --> 01:07:11.896
<i>Normal throttle, uh,
most applied 104 percent.</i>

1346
01:07:14.299 --> 01:07:17.462
<i>It will travel down to, uh,
65 percent, shortly.</i>

1347
01:07:20.964 --> 01:07:22.464
<i>Engine's at 65 percent.</i>

1348
01:07:22.466 --> 01:07:24.261
<i>Three engines
are running normally.</i>

1349
01:07:24.263 --> 01:07:25.397
<i>Three good fuel cells.</i>

1350
01:07:25.399 --> 01:07:26.597
<i>Three good engines.</i>

1351
01:07:27.532 --> 01:07:28.532
<i>Engines throttling up.</i>

1352
01:07:28.534 --> 01:07:30.463
<i>Three engines now
at 104 percent.</i>

1353
01:07:30.465 --> 01:07:32.530
[man #2]
<i>Challenger, go and throttle up.</i>

1354
01:07:32.532 --> 01:07:33.729
[man #3]
<i>Challenger's gonna throttle up.</i>

1355
01:07:35.931 --> 01:07:37.294
[explosion]

1356
01:07:38.732 --> 01:07:39.966
[man #1]
<i>One minute, fifteen seconds.</i>

1357
01:07:39.968 --> 01:07:41.696
<i>Velocity, 2900 feet per second.</i>

1358
01:07:41.698 --> 01:07:42.864
<i>An altitude,
nine nautical miles.</i>

1359
01:07:42.866 --> 01:07:44.763
<i>Generates distance,
seven nautical miles.</i>

1360
01:08:08.564 --> 01:08:10.897
Did you know the investigation
turned up the fact

1361
01:08:10.899 --> 01:08:13.966
that some of them
survived the initial explosion?

1362
01:08:13.968 --> 01:08:18.866
[clattering]

1363
01:08:18.868 --> 01:08:22.298
Some of the safety switch
protocols had been activated.

1364
01:08:23.266 --> 01:08:25.662
[rumbling]

1365
01:08:25.664 --> 01:08:29.195
[wind swishing]

1366
01:08:30.796 --> 01:08:33.628
[wind gusting]

1367
01:08:33.630 --> 01:08:34.695
[woman gasps]

1368
01:08:38.699 --> 01:08:41.865
Did they die on impact?
Did they drown?

1369
01:08:41.867 --> 01:08:43.264
Did they suffocate?

1370
01:08:44.567 --> 01:08:46.230
[clattering]

1371
01:08:49.666 --> 01:08:50.730
[woman whimpers]

1372
01:08:55.399 --> 01:08:56.562
[wind gusts]

1373
01:09:00.364 --> 01:09:02.296
I guess it doesn't matter.

1374
01:09:04.830 --> 01:09:06.427
Did you know any of them?

1375
01:09:10.298 --> 01:09:11.328
No.

1376
01:09:13.798 --> 01:09:15.297
[Adam] <i>Never met a single one.</i>

1377
01:09:19.532 --> 01:09:22.730
[Larry] <i>This is a tragedy.</i>

1378
01:09:22.732 --> 01:09:27.832
A true tragedy, one our nation
will not soon forget.

1379
01:09:30.399 --> 01:09:33.830
But I think we have to remember,
it's a risky business.

1380
01:09:34.733 --> 01:09:35.763
[Adam] It is.

1381
01:09:36.934 --> 01:09:37.932
But you know what?

1382
01:09:37.934 --> 01:09:41.731
I'm really gettin' kinda sick
of hearing that.

1383
01:09:41.733 --> 01:09:45.298
Least we had Reagan
to comfort us, though, huh?

1384
01:09:45.300 --> 01:09:48.499
[Reagan] <i>Today is a day
of mourning and remembering.</i>

1385
01:09:48.501 --> 01:09:49.862
<i>We know we share this pain</i>

1386
01:09:49.864 --> 01:09:52.464
<i>with all of the people
of our country.</i>

1387
01:09:52.466 --> 01:09:55.529
<i>This is truly a national loss.</i>

1388
01:09:55.531 --> 01:09:57.764
<i>To the families of the seven,</i>

1389
01:09:57.766 --> 01:10:01.330
<i>we cannot bear as you do
the full impact of this tragedy.</i>

1390
01:10:02.267 --> 01:10:03.398
<i>But we feel the loss</i>

1391
01:10:03.400 --> 01:10:06.764
<i>and we're thinking
about you so very much.</i>

1392
01:10:06.766 --> 01:10:08.731
<i>I've always had great faith in</i>

1393
01:10:08.733 --> 01:10:10.933
<i>and respect
for our space program.</i>

1394
01:10:10.935 --> 01:10:14.199
<i>And what happened today
does nothing to diminish it.</i>

1395
01:10:14.201 --> 01:10:16.199
<i>We don't hide our space program,</i>

1396
01:10:16.201 --> 01:10:18.765
<i>we don't keep secrets
and cover things up.</i>

1397
01:10:18.767 --> 01:10:21.632
<i>We do it all upfront
and in public.</i>

1398
01:10:21.634 --> 01:10:23.230
<i>That's the way freedom is</i>

1399
01:10:23.232 --> 01:10:25.730
<i>and we wouldn't change it
for a minute.</i>

1400
01:10:25.732 --> 01:10:28.301
<i>We'll continue
our quest in space.</i>

1401
01:10:28.303 --> 01:10:29.697
<i>There would be
more shuttle flights</i>

1402
01:10:29.699 --> 01:10:31.498
<i>and more shuttle crews.</i>

1403
01:10:31.500 --> 01:10:33.967
<i>And, yes, more volunteers,
more civilians,</i>

1404
01:10:33.969 --> 01:10:36.531
<i>more teachers in space.</i>

1405
01:10:36.533 --> 01:10:37.763
<i>Nothing ends here.</i>

1406
01:10:38.968 --> 01:10:40.598
<i>We will never forget them,</i>

1407
01:10:40.600 --> 01:10:43.831
<i>nor the last time we saw them,
this morning.</i>

1408
01:10:43.833 --> 01:10:45.496
<i>As they prepared
for their journey</i>

1409
01:10:45.498 --> 01:10:47.464
<i>and waved goodbye,</i>

1410
01:10:47.466 --> 01:10:51.230
<i>and "slipped
the slurry bonds of Earth"</i>

1411
01:10:51.232 --> 01:10:52.629
<i>to "touch the face of God."</i>

1412
01:10:53.933 --> 01:10:55.163
Thank you.

1413
01:10:59.633 --> 01:11:00.630
[sighs]

1414
01:11:03.768 --> 01:11:05.765
[breaths heavily]

1415
01:11:16.267 --> 01:11:17.865
[stutters]
What are you doing?

1416
01:11:17.867 --> 01:11:18.963
[Adam]
Getting rid of this thing.

1417
01:11:18.965 --> 01:11:20.731
[Mary] Why?

1418
01:11:20.733 --> 01:11:23.432
Adam, can you just wait
just one second?

1419
01:11:23.434 --> 01:11:25.530
Adam, what do you think
this is going to solve?

1420
01:11:25.532 --> 01:11:26.665
[Adam] I don't know.

1421
01:11:26.667 --> 01:11:28.464
You don't have to throw away
our TV.

1422
01:11:28.466 --> 01:11:30.362
Mary, I don't want
all of this getting in.

1423
01:11:30.364 --> 01:11:31.363
Getting in? What are talking...

1424
01:11:31.365 --> 01:11:33.363
The reports, the
investigations, the accusations.

1425
01:11:33.365 --> 01:11:34.464
Haven't you heard
what he was saying?

1426
01:11:34.466 --> 01:11:36.196
Against me. Against us.

1427
01:11:36.198 --> 01:11:37.828
You didn't do anything.

1428
01:11:45.967 --> 01:11:47.164
[Mary] Hey.

1429
01:11:47.832 --> 01:11:49.230
You did something.

1430
01:11:50.834 --> 01:11:52.365
That amounted to nothing.

1431
01:11:53.967 --> 01:11:55.630
You didn't do anything wrong.

1432
01:12:00.668 --> 01:12:02.199
What?

1433
01:12:02.201 --> 01:12:03.696
You did the right thing.

1434
01:12:03.698 --> 01:12:05.399
[Adam] I did the right thing?

1435
01:12:05.401 --> 01:12:07.699
This is where you end up
when you do the right thing.

1436
01:12:07.701 --> 01:12:09.730
Right out here in the alley,
right next to the trash

1437
01:12:09.732 --> 01:12:11.832
where the... where the neighbors
can look at you

1438
01:12:11.834 --> 01:12:14.433
and gawk, "Oh, there he is,
there's the engineer,

1439
01:12:14.435 --> 01:12:16.199
that's the guy
that works for the O-rings,

1440
01:12:16.201 --> 01:12:18.699
killed seven people," Mary.

1441
01:12:18.701 --> 01:12:19.834
So, yeah, this spot right here,

1442
01:12:19.836 --> 01:12:22.234
this is where you end up
when you do the right thing.

1443
01:12:23.433 --> 01:12:25.497
You didn't do anything wrong.

1444
01:12:26.632 --> 01:12:28.232
I could've...

1445
01:12:28.234 --> 01:12:29.866
I could've done so much more.

1446
01:12:29.868 --> 01:12:31.729
No. No. You couldn't have.

1447
01:12:31.731 --> 01:12:33.799
You did everything
that you could have.

1448
01:12:33.801 --> 01:12:35.631
- [Adam] No!
- All of you did.

1449
01:12:35.633 --> 01:12:38.532
Well, did I, uh,
did I call the media?

1450
01:12:38.534 --> 01:12:40.198
Did... did I call
the astronauts?

1451
01:12:40.200 --> 01:12:41.832
Did I try to call
the astronaut's families?

1452
01:12:41.834 --> 01:12:45.632
Did I pick up the red phone
and try to call the president?

1453
01:12:45.634 --> 01:12:46.866
Did I jump in my car

1454
01:12:46.868 --> 01:12:49.198
and go flying all the way down
to Florida

1455
01:12:49.200 --> 01:12:51.234
and go lay down
in the middle of the launch pad

1456
01:12:51.236 --> 01:12:54.565
to try to stop this thing
that I knew was gonna happen?

1457
01:12:54.567 --> 01:12:56.800
I know. I know you knew it.

1458
01:12:56.802 --> 01:12:58.199
But it wouldn't have
changed anything

1459
01:12:58.201 --> 01:12:59.565
because they didn't listen.

1460
01:13:00.933 --> 01:13:02.267
They didn't listen.

1461
01:13:02.269 --> 01:13:04.534
They should have pushed
the launch...

1462
01:13:06.466 --> 01:13:08.197
They should have pushed
the launch.

1463
01:13:09.635 --> 01:13:13.266
They should've pushed it
a few hours, a few weeks, days,

1464
01:13:13.268 --> 01:13:14.333
whatever it took.

1465
01:13:15.269 --> 01:13:16.531
But they didn't.

1466
01:13:16.533 --> 01:13:18.297
And that is on them.

1467
01:13:20.534 --> 01:13:22.332
You were right.

1468
01:13:27.204 --> 01:13:28.400
I was right.

1469
01:13:31.635 --> 01:13:32.632
I was right.

1470
01:13:35.334 --> 01:13:36.364
So what?

1471
01:13:39.668 --> 01:13:44.532
We... This is too heavy
a burden to carry.

1472
01:13:46.936 --> 01:13:50.464
This is what you need to be
throwing away, not the TV.

1473
01:13:50.466 --> 01:13:54.467
Mary, I wasn't the right man
for the job.

1474
01:13:54.469 --> 01:13:56.399
But that's not how this works.

1475
01:14:07.966 --> 01:14:09.732
You can throw it away,

1476
01:14:09.734 --> 01:14:11.500
but it's not gonna
change anything.

1477
01:14:17.636 --> 01:14:19.532
Maybe not,

1478
01:14:19.534 --> 01:14:21.866
but you get to decide
where you go from here.

1479
01:14:26.468 --> 01:14:28.500
[somber music]

1480
01:14:44.268 --> 01:14:47.399
What happened in Utah
a few weeks after?

1481
01:14:47.401 --> 01:14:49.933
[Adam] I don't know.
People were upset.

1482
01:14:49.935 --> 01:14:52.499
Uh, the whole town
has a stake in this.

1483
01:14:52.501 --> 01:14:54.465
Most of us who live here,
work there.

1484
01:14:55.902 --> 01:15:00.632
There were a few individuals
who decided to pull

1485
01:15:00.634 --> 01:15:04.400
a very insensitive stunt,
we don't know who they were.

1486
01:15:04.402 --> 01:15:07.133
Did you feel like
it was directed at you?

1487
01:15:08.667 --> 01:15:10.431
Yeah, I did.

1488
01:15:13.770 --> 01:15:15.802
[somber music]

1489
01:16:12.535 --> 01:16:14.534
[foreboding music]

1490
01:16:15.704 --> 01:16:16.901
[Adam] Hey. Hey.

1491
01:16:20.503 --> 01:16:22.899
Does anybody call you names
because of what happened?

1492
01:16:22.901 --> 01:16:24.232
[Emma] Some of them.

1493
01:16:25.770 --> 01:16:26.834
Yeah.

1494
01:16:28.835 --> 01:16:31.467
I am so sorry
that this is happening to you.

1495
01:16:32.834 --> 01:16:35.265
Can we just leave now
and never come back?

1496
01:16:37.771 --> 01:16:38.801
No.

1497
01:16:40.636 --> 01:16:42.936
No, something wrong
has been done,

1498
01:16:42.938 --> 01:16:46.435
and your dad
has to see it through, okay?

1499
01:16:46.437 --> 01:16:47.466
[Emma] Why?

1500
01:16:52.269 --> 01:16:53.632
I'm not sure why.

1501
01:16:56.502 --> 01:16:57.832
And I'm not sure it matters.

1502
01:16:59.403 --> 01:17:00.867
I don't wanna go
to school today.

1503
01:17:01.667 --> 01:17:05.268
Oh. Come here.

1504
01:17:05.270 --> 01:17:08.700
You don't have to, kiddo,
you don't have to.

1505
01:17:10.203 --> 01:17:11.900
But you are gonna have
to go back.

1506
01:17:14.236 --> 01:17:15.833
And when you do,
it's gonna be hard.

1507
01:17:17.467 --> 01:17:18.667
I want you
to remember something,

1508
01:17:18.669 --> 01:17:20.566
and you remember this always...

1509
01:17:23.401 --> 01:17:25.933
your dad tried to stop
that launch

1510
01:17:25.935 --> 01:17:27.765
when no one else would.

1511
01:17:29.768 --> 01:17:31.201
That's the truth.

1512
01:17:31.203 --> 01:17:33.201
[somber music]

1513
01:17:41.336 --> 01:17:44.701
They will eventually call anyone
and everyone

1514
01:17:44.703 --> 01:17:45.799
who has a significant role

1515
01:17:45.801 --> 01:17:48.633
in the Solid Rocket Booster
fabrication to testify

1516
01:17:48.635 --> 01:17:51.466
before the commission of
President Reagan has assembled.

1517
01:17:52.569 --> 01:17:53.701
It's a witch hunt.

1518
01:17:53.703 --> 01:17:54.934
It's not a witch hunt.

1519
01:17:54.936 --> 01:17:57.867
It's just
a Fact-Finding Committee.

1520
01:17:57.869 --> 01:18:00.832
Well, they've found an awful lot
of facts lately, haven't they?

1521
01:18:01.804 --> 01:18:03.734
Like what?

1522
01:18:03.736 --> 01:18:06.434
Like that <i>New York Times</i>
article,

1523
01:18:06.436 --> 01:18:09.568
where an insider
leaked sensitive information.

1524
01:18:09.570 --> 01:18:12.969
It's not sensitive information,
it's the truth.

1525
01:18:12.971 --> 01:18:14.833
And if you're implying
that I'm the one who leaked,

1526
01:18:14.835 --> 01:18:16.203
you're out of your mind.

1527
01:18:16.205 --> 01:18:18.569
Do not give out
any more information

1528
01:18:18.571 --> 01:18:20.935
than is absolutely necessary.

1529
01:18:20.937 --> 01:18:24.203
Yes, no, or I don't know.

1530
01:18:24.205 --> 01:18:26.302
You shouldn't antagonize
these people.

1531
01:18:26.304 --> 01:18:28.768
Don't go out there on your own.

1532
01:18:28.770 --> 01:18:30.566
I'm telling you,
for your own sake.

1533
01:18:30.568 --> 01:18:33.633
I don't like the way
you said that.

1534
01:18:33.635 --> 01:18:35.669
Do you want the space program
to continue.

1535
01:18:35.671 --> 01:18:37.802
- Yes or no?
- [Jim] That's not the question.

1536
01:18:37.804 --> 01:18:40.402
Yes or no?

1537
01:18:40.404 --> 01:18:44.634
That is the question.
That is the only question.

1538
01:18:44.636 --> 01:18:46.469
You engineers seem to think
that in few weeks,

1539
01:18:46.471 --> 01:18:47.767
it's business as usual.

1540
01:18:47.769 --> 01:18:49.535
Well, I have news for you.

1541
01:18:49.537 --> 01:18:53.201
You are not flying again
anytime soon.

1542
01:18:53.203 --> 01:18:55.236
You get to decide when.

1543
01:18:55.238 --> 01:18:56.702
How long do you wanna wait

1544
01:18:56.704 --> 01:18:58.300
before the next shuttle
is on the launch pad?

1545
01:18:58.302 --> 01:19:00.602
Three years or three decades?

1546
01:19:00.604 --> 01:19:02.403
You decide.

1547
01:19:02.405 --> 01:19:05.569
Mistakes have been made
and if they continue to be made,

1548
01:19:05.571 --> 01:19:07.702
you are never flying again,
ever.

1549
01:19:07.704 --> 01:19:10.266
That decision is made for you.

1550
01:19:10.268 --> 01:19:11.202
No more contracts,

1551
01:19:11.204 --> 01:19:14.337
no more space program,
no more progress.

1552
01:19:14.339 --> 01:19:15.668
This is it.

1553
01:19:15.670 --> 01:19:19.203
History-making time, right now.

1554
01:19:19.205 --> 01:19:20.766
Do you continue
to shoot your mouth off

1555
01:19:20.768 --> 01:19:23.233
with no regard to progress?

1556
01:19:24.304 --> 01:19:26.433
Because if you go
against counsel

1557
01:19:26.435 --> 01:19:27.869
and you perjure yourself,

1558
01:19:27.871 --> 01:19:30.570
or you say something
incriminating by accident,

1559
01:19:30.572 --> 01:19:32.601
that is on you.

1560
01:19:32.603 --> 01:19:34.635
Testifying before
a presidential commission

1561
01:19:34.637 --> 01:19:36.603
is nothing to screw around with.

1562
01:19:39.204 --> 01:19:42.403
And how many
have you testified before?

1563
01:19:42.405 --> 01:19:43.533
I don't testify.

1564
01:19:43.535 --> 01:19:44.501
None.

1565
01:19:44.503 --> 01:19:47.902
You've testified before none,
and I have,

1566
01:19:47.904 --> 01:19:50.202
so that makes me the expert
in this room.

1567
01:19:50.204 --> 01:19:53.467
Yes, no, or I don't know.

1568
01:19:55.369 --> 01:19:57.333
I have to get back to work.

1569
01:19:57.335 --> 01:20:01.266
If you go against us,
you will lose.

1570
01:20:03.204 --> 01:20:04.535
Both of you.

1571
01:20:04.537 --> 01:20:07.668
[man] ...at the secondary seal
that we were talked,

1572
01:20:07.670 --> 01:20:11.533
that we alluded to
with the type of erosion,

1573
01:20:11.535 --> 01:20:14.768
uh, that we had was...

1574
01:20:14.770 --> 01:20:18.368
[indistinct chatter]

1575
01:20:18.370 --> 01:20:20.602
I understand what critically
one means,

1576
01:20:20.604 --> 01:20:23.467
it means it is important
for safety and for flight.

1577
01:20:23.469 --> 01:20:25.869
Is there a high...
higher category than that?

1578
01:20:25.871 --> 01:20:28.668
Let me go back just one moment
to the Cook memorandum.

1579
01:20:28.670 --> 01:20:30.934
He said, "I would think
that any NASA budgets

1580
01:20:30.936 --> 01:20:33.933
submitted this year
for fiscal year 1987,

1581
01:20:33.935 --> 01:20:36.634
should certainly be based
on a reliable judgement."

1582
01:20:36.636 --> 01:20:37.734
Just getting started.

1583
01:20:38.673 --> 01:20:40.367
Anyone know you're here?

1584
01:20:40.369 --> 01:20:42.367
I don't think anyone knows
anyone is here.

1585
01:20:45.268 --> 01:20:48.902
Is there any internal
correspondence

1586
01:20:48.904 --> 01:20:51.569
on potential concern

1587
01:20:51.571 --> 01:20:56.633
over the operation
of the O-rings or the joints?

1588
01:20:56.635 --> 01:20:59.769
We can ask Jim who works
for the contractor that built

1589
01:20:59.771 --> 01:21:02.202
the Solid Rocket Boosters,
if they have anything.

1590
01:21:03.772 --> 01:21:06.937
I believe there's some test data
in progress now.

1591
01:21:06.939 --> 01:21:08.034
Some from before,

1592
01:21:08.036 --> 01:21:11.633
that, uh, speaks to
the resiliency of the O-rings.

1593
01:21:13.368 --> 01:21:14.602
There were some discussions

1594
01:21:14.604 --> 01:21:17.236
the night before the launch,
correct?

1595
01:21:17.238 --> 01:21:20.301
Between you and the people
at contractors company?

1596
01:21:20.771 --> 01:21:21.901
Yes, sir.

1597
01:21:21.903 --> 01:21:24.233
As a matter of routine,

1598
01:21:24.235 --> 01:21:27.266
we ask our technical people,
contractors,

1599
01:21:28.306 --> 01:21:30.268
if there are any concerns.

1600
01:21:30.270 --> 01:21:32.468
And the only concerns
that they pointed out

1601
01:21:32.470 --> 01:21:36.535
were the recovery battery,
um, temperatures.

1602
01:21:36.537 --> 01:21:37.703
And those are located
on the forward end...

1603
01:21:37.705 --> 01:21:38.769
No!

1604
01:21:38.771 --> 01:21:42.536
...of the Solid Rocket Boosters.

1605
01:21:42.538 --> 01:21:47.435
Did you discuss anything with
the contractors or engineers?

1606
01:21:47.437 --> 01:21:53.468
They presented to us the fact
that the lowest temperature

1607
01:21:53.470 --> 01:21:58.901
that we had flown an O-ring
or a case joint was 53 degrees,

1608
01:21:58.903 --> 01:22:01.803
and they wanted to point out

1609
01:22:01.805 --> 01:22:05.769
that we would be outside
our experience base.

1610
01:22:06.805 --> 01:22:07.937
Okay.

1611
01:22:07.939 --> 01:22:11.968
I'm asking because we read
in the <i>New York Times</i>

1612
01:22:11.970 --> 01:22:14.434
about memos to NASA

1613
01:22:14.436 --> 01:22:18.871
expressing concern
about erosion of the O-rings.

1614
01:22:18.873 --> 01:22:22.304
Are there any documents
expressing concern

1615
01:22:22.306 --> 01:22:24.237
about the temperature
that morning?

1616
01:22:26.972 --> 01:22:30.201
I'm not aware
of any such documents.

1617
01:22:35.571 --> 01:22:39.336
I will go back and...
and look, go to my files

1618
01:22:40.237 --> 01:22:41.534
to see if there are any.

1619
01:22:44.504 --> 01:22:45.702
Seriously?

1620
01:22:45.704 --> 01:22:46.903
Guys.

1621
01:22:46.905 --> 01:22:48.266
Liars!

1622
01:22:48.268 --> 01:22:49.835
Shh!

1623
01:22:49.837 --> 01:22:51.135
I can't believe this.

1624
01:22:53.569 --> 01:22:55.735
Someone has to say something.

1625
01:22:55.737 --> 01:22:57.402
Please, the media is here.

1626
01:22:57.404 --> 01:22:58.434
So what?

1627
01:23:02.671 --> 01:23:03.937
What are you doing?

1628
01:23:03.939 --> 01:23:05.235
Please put your hand down.

1629
01:23:05.237 --> 01:23:06.533
I can't let it
go down like this.

1630
01:23:07.538 --> 01:23:08.870
That's not working.

1631
01:23:08.872 --> 01:23:10.136
Shh.

1632
01:23:12.704 --> 01:23:14.603
- There you go.
- Shh!

1633
01:23:14.605 --> 01:23:16.835
Oh, stop it, you.
Go interrupt them.

1634
01:23:16.837 --> 01:23:19.736
[man #2] ...now, we don't know
if he did anything about this.

1635
01:23:19.738 --> 01:23:21.269
- I'm not doing this.
- Go!

1636
01:23:24.604 --> 01:23:28.603
We... we are all seeing this
really for the first time.

1637
01:23:28.605 --> 01:23:30.802
I guess we saw it
in the newspaper...

1638
01:23:30.804 --> 01:23:33.668
I'd like to say about the
meeting you're talking about...

1639
01:23:33.670 --> 01:23:34.670
earlier.

1640
01:23:34.672 --> 01:23:37.237
[Dr. Ride] Am I correct
in assuming that, uh,

1641
01:23:37.239 --> 01:23:40.570
what you described that in
the normal chain of authority,

1642
01:23:40.572 --> 01:23:42.736
neither Mr. Cook
nor Mr. Mann....

1643
01:23:42.738 --> 01:23:45.403
I'd like to say something
about the meeting

1644
01:23:45.405 --> 01:23:46.667
you were talking about.

1645
01:23:47.938 --> 01:23:51.571
[Jim] Hey, hey,
hold on a second, um...

1646
01:23:51.573 --> 01:23:54.569
I believe Jim Whitt
will have something to add.

1647
01:23:55.871 --> 01:23:57.771
Yes, I'd like to say
about the meeting...

1648
01:23:57.773 --> 01:23:59.536
[Rogers] Excuse me, excuse me.

1649
01:23:59.538 --> 01:24:00.800
Can... can you say that
a little louder

1650
01:24:00.802 --> 01:24:02.301
where everyone can hear you?

1651
01:24:03.672 --> 01:24:05.572
[clears throat]

1652
01:24:05.574 --> 01:24:07.969
I'd like to say
about the meeting

1653
01:24:07.971 --> 01:24:10.304
you were talking about earlier.

1654
01:24:10.306 --> 01:24:12.570
The meeting was called by us,
the engineers.

1655
01:24:14.574 --> 01:24:17.702
And we tied in Marshal Space
Flight Center

1656
01:24:17.704 --> 01:24:18.802
in Huntsville, Alabama,

1657
01:24:18.804 --> 01:24:21.836
and Kennedy Space Center
in Cape Canaveral, Florida,

1658
01:24:21.838 --> 01:24:24.870
to let them know our concerns
about the colder temperatures,

1659
01:24:24.872 --> 01:24:27.572
and that our recommendation
was not to launch.

1660
01:24:27.574 --> 01:24:29.571
[clamoring]

1661
01:24:35.871 --> 01:24:37.904
If what I'm hearing is true

1662
01:24:37.906 --> 01:24:41.404
this could be in litigation
for years.

1663
01:24:41.406 --> 01:24:45.472
We initially told them
not to launch below 53 degrees.

1664
01:24:45.474 --> 01:24:47.404
We were convinced the seals
were compromised

1665
01:24:47.406 --> 01:24:50.406
the lower the temperature got.

1666
01:24:50.408 --> 01:24:53.638
We were moving away
from the direction of goodness.

1667
01:24:53.640 --> 01:24:56.238
You never changed your minds
about launching?

1668
01:24:56.240 --> 01:24:57.335
No, sir.

1669
01:24:57.337 --> 01:24:58.403
I was in Kennedy,

1670
01:24:58.405 --> 01:25:04.270
and after Adam and Bill
expressed their concerns,

1671
01:25:04.272 --> 01:25:07.839
our company in Utah
had a private caucus

1672
01:25:07.841 --> 01:25:09.305
and changed their minds.

1673
01:25:10.406 --> 01:25:11.469
[Rogers]
You work for that company?

1674
01:25:11.471 --> 01:25:12.837
Yes, sir.

1675
01:25:12.839 --> 01:25:15.637
So you had data and concerns,

1676
01:25:15.639 --> 01:25:17.670
then changed your mind
based on what?

1677
01:25:19.905 --> 01:25:21.371
You'd have to ask them in Utah,

1678
01:25:21.373 --> 01:25:23.971
I was not a part
of the private meeting

1679
01:25:23.973 --> 01:25:26.303
to reevaluate the data.

1680
01:25:26.305 --> 01:25:27.669
Were you gentlemen there
in Utah?

1681
01:25:28.572 --> 01:25:30.271
- Yes, sir.
- Yes, sir.

1682
01:25:30.273 --> 01:25:34.537
Did the reevaluation of the data
factor into proceeding to fly?

1683
01:25:34.539 --> 01:25:35.669
Yes, sir.

1684
01:25:37.471 --> 01:25:39.270
[Rogers]
Why did you decide to fly?

1685
01:25:39.272 --> 01:25:41.505
- We didn't decide to fly.
- We didn't decide to fly.

1686
01:25:41.507 --> 01:25:42.969
[Rogers] Well, someone did.

1687
01:25:42.971 --> 01:25:45.771
The gentlemen just said
that the private meeting

1688
01:25:45.773 --> 01:25:48.835
resulted in changing
the recommendation to launch.

1689
01:25:48.837 --> 01:25:51.705
And now you're saying
you did not?

1690
01:25:51.707 --> 01:25:54.304
Nelson, did their company
recommend a launch?

1691
01:25:54.306 --> 01:25:55.369
Yes, sir.

1692
01:25:56.672 --> 01:25:58.136
[Rogers]
So who changed their mind?

1693
01:26:01.940 --> 01:26:05.903
Bill and I are O-ring experts
and the recommendation

1694
01:26:05.905 --> 01:26:08.704
to launch win
against our recommendation.

1695
01:26:09.704 --> 01:26:12.936
We faxed over a lot of documents

1696
01:26:12.938 --> 01:26:16.870
and our official engineering
perspective to not launch.

1697
01:26:18.472 --> 01:26:21.235
NASA put pressure
on our leadership,

1698
01:26:21.237 --> 01:26:25.506
our boss conveyed a meeting
with everyone in Utah,

1699
01:26:25.508 --> 01:26:27.272
and they decided to launch.

1700
01:26:29.305 --> 01:26:30.571
[Rogers]
Did you change your mind?

1701
01:26:30.573 --> 01:26:32.335
No, sir. Never.

1702
01:26:32.337 --> 01:26:33.803
[Rogers] How about you?

1703
01:26:33.805 --> 01:26:35.303
No, sir.

1704
01:26:35.305 --> 01:26:36.471
[Rogers] And you?

1705
01:26:36.473 --> 01:26:39.405
No. In fact, they faxed over
a document

1706
01:26:39.407 --> 01:26:40.771
and tried to get me to sign it,

1707
01:26:40.773 --> 01:26:43.238
recommending we fly
and I refused.

1708
01:26:47.673 --> 01:26:49.537
What were your initial findings?

1709
01:26:49.539 --> 01:26:52.371
When we tested
at the lower temperatures,

1710
01:26:52.373 --> 01:26:54.769
we... we saw that it took...

1711
01:26:54.771 --> 01:26:58.301
Can you quantify how poorly
this is going for you?

1712
01:27:00.704 --> 01:27:03.538
Not as poorly as it's gonna go
for the guy

1713
01:27:03.540 --> 01:27:06.205
who throws his own company
under the bus.

1714
01:27:08.340 --> 01:27:10.571
Maybe you ought to get
a handle on that.

1715
01:27:14.674 --> 01:27:15.873
[Rogers] Mr. Nelson?

1716
01:27:15.875 --> 01:27:17.637
I'd like to see
the signed document

1717
01:27:17.639 --> 01:27:18.805
that recommends to launch.

1718
01:27:18.807 --> 01:27:21.439
Yes, sir.
I have the signed document

1719
01:27:21.441 --> 01:27:24.438
from the contracting company
that recommends to launch.

1720
01:27:26.408 --> 01:27:28.405
[somber music]

1721
01:27:52.540 --> 01:27:54.238
[lawyer] What did we all
talked about earlier?

1722
01:27:54.240 --> 01:27:56.737
If you're asked a question,
you say what?

1723
01:27:56.739 --> 01:27:58.839
- Yes, no, and what?
- [all mumbling]

1724
01:27:58.841 --> 01:28:00.639
And what did I hear?

1725
01:28:00.641 --> 01:28:02.639
[indistinct chatter]

1726
01:28:08.272 --> 01:28:11.338
[Nelson] We're the company guys,
we're going to work tomorrow.

1727
01:28:11.340 --> 01:28:12.806
I just wanted you to know,

1728
01:28:12.808 --> 01:28:16.504
what you men did in there today
was incredibly brave.

1729
01:28:16.506 --> 01:28:17.905
Thank you.

1730
01:28:17.907 --> 01:28:19.736
I hope you know
that there are laws

1731
01:28:19.738 --> 01:28:22.538
to protect you
against any retaliation

1732
01:28:22.540 --> 01:28:24.936
for what you have said
here today.

1733
01:28:24.938 --> 01:28:27.237
We'll see.

1734
01:28:27.239 --> 01:28:29.607
Is anything gonna happen
to these guys?

1735
01:28:29.609 --> 01:28:33.338
We are here to learn
and to make recommendations

1736
01:28:33.340 --> 01:28:35.870
to the President
and then he will decide.

1737
01:28:35.872 --> 01:28:38.572
[Dr. Ride]
I think the best thing to do

1738
01:28:38.574 --> 01:28:40.238
is to simply keep telling
the truth.

1739
01:28:40.909 --> 01:28:41.906
[Bill] Yes, ma'am.

1740
01:28:44.873 --> 01:28:46.871
[dramatic music]

1741
01:28:57.608 --> 01:28:59.606
[somber music]

1742
01:29:21.506 --> 01:29:22.736
I'm not hungry anymore.

1743
01:29:24.942 --> 01:29:26.273
He'll come around.

1744
01:29:29.240 --> 01:29:30.303
No, he won't.

1745
01:29:31.806 --> 01:29:33.339
- [Finch] <i>Adam.</i>
- [Adam] <i>Yeah.</i>

1746
01:29:33.341 --> 01:29:38.305
I just wanted to ask you,
um, we have no proof.

1747
01:29:38.307 --> 01:29:41.840
You don't have any money
to afford a team like this.

1748
01:29:41.842 --> 01:29:44.471
And I can already see
it's an unwinnable case.

1749
01:29:44.473 --> 01:29:46.838
So what's the real reason
you wanna do this?

1750
01:29:48.972 --> 01:29:50.704
No one was prosecuted.

1751
01:29:52.342 --> 01:29:54.538
No one lost their jobs
except for the people

1752
01:29:54.540 --> 01:29:56.371
<i>who were trying to do
the right thing.</i>

1753
01:29:58.241 --> 01:30:01.941
[Adam] <i>And now, seven
of society's finest are dead.</i>

1754
01:30:01.943 --> 01:30:03.473
<i>And they're gonna stay dead.</i>

1755
01:30:04.710 --> 01:30:06.371
Don't you think we need
to try something?

1756
01:30:06.373 --> 01:30:08.205
I do.

1757
01:30:08.207 --> 01:30:11.304
But it's just going to wind up
being a stunt

1758
01:30:11.306 --> 01:30:12.972
to try the case in public,

1759
01:30:12.974 --> 01:30:15.241
and give them a black eye
in the news

1760
01:30:15.243 --> 01:30:16.240
for a couple of days.

1761
01:30:18.676 --> 01:30:20.473
I can live with that.

1762
01:30:20.475 --> 01:30:23.572
You do know beating up
the bully won't bring you peace.

1763
01:30:25.308 --> 01:30:26.838
Maybe it'll bring justice.

1764
01:30:29.508 --> 01:30:31.506
Have you ever gotten
either one that way?

1765
01:30:35.409 --> 01:30:37.407
[somber music]

1766
01:30:48.441 --> 01:30:50.440
I don't care
what you have to say.

1767
01:30:58.207 --> 01:31:00.205
[somber music]

1768
01:31:31.709 --> 01:31:34.241
I am an O-ring expert.

1769
01:31:34.243 --> 01:31:35.805
I worked for the company
that built

1770
01:31:35.807 --> 01:31:37.307
the Solid Rocket Boosters

1771
01:31:37.309 --> 01:31:39.608
for the Space Shuttle
Challenger.

1772
01:31:39.610 --> 01:31:43.273
And the decision to launch
went against our recommendation.

1773
01:31:47.540 --> 01:31:49.239
But I guess you knew
that already, huh?

1774
01:31:54.340 --> 01:31:57.337
I wanna ask you, how many of you
are planning to be engineers?

1775
01:32:01.310 --> 01:32:04.472
Everyone. Okay.

1776
01:32:05.376 --> 01:32:06.373
That's great.

1777
01:32:07.877 --> 01:32:10.208
Really, that is...
that is great.

1778
01:32:13.677 --> 01:32:14.973
You know, what... what I think

1779
01:32:14.975 --> 01:32:16.541
I want to talk to you
about today

1780
01:32:16.543 --> 01:32:20.639
is about the value
of the human life.

1781
01:32:20.641 --> 01:32:24.808
[Adam] <i>Because all of you
are gonna go on to build roads,</i>

1782
01:32:24.810 --> 01:32:32.373
<i>bridges, toys, cars, rockets,
homes, whatever.</i>

1783
01:32:32.375 --> 01:32:35.572
<i>Whatever it is, an engineer
thinks it and makes it.</i>

1784
01:32:46.977 --> 01:32:50.440
- [Charis] Hi, dad.
- Hey, kids. Hi, girls.

1785
01:32:50.442 --> 01:32:52.840
- Hey. We'll be back later.
- Hi.

1786
01:33:18.241 --> 01:33:20.639
[breathes heavily]

1787
01:33:24.275 --> 01:33:27.606
[Adam]
<i>But I just want you to remember</i>

1788
01:33:27.608 --> 01:33:29.906
<i>to see the people
on the other side</i>

1789
01:33:29.908 --> 01:33:32.972
<i>of whatever it is that you make.</i>

1790
01:33:32.974 --> 01:33:35.772
<i>And also remember
the people you made it with.</i>

1791
01:33:36.442 --> 01:33:37.440
<i>Yeah?</i>

1792
01:33:54.645 --> 01:33:56.642
[somber music]

1793
01:34:35.493 --> 01:34:40.493
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