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WEBVTT - https://subtitletools.com 00:00:44.070 --> 00:00:46.300 The year was 1978 00:00:46.339 --> 00:00:49.536 when the killing spree of John Wayne Gacy finally came to an end, 00:00:49.576 --> 00:00:51.406 as Chicago police arrested him 00:00:51.444 --> 00:00:54.902 and began digging up bodies he had buried under his Summerdale house. 00:00:54.947 --> 00:00:56.539 Many called it the crime of the century. 00:00:56.582 --> 00:00:58.174 Some of the bodies were clothed 00:00:58.217 --> 00:01:02.277 and three of the bodies had ropes around their necks. 00:01:02.320 --> 00:01:04.185 He killed 33 times 00:01:04.222 --> 00:01:07.623 and his victims were all boys and young men between the ages of 14... 00:01:07.659 --> 00:01:10.491 He says he's a victim for being found guilty 00:01:10.527 --> 00:01:12.586 and he says the families are victims 00:01:12.629 --> 00:01:14.256 because they don't know who the real killer is. 00:01:14.298 --> 00:01:16.391 Testimony provided a frightening view inside the mind 00:01:16.433 --> 00:01:18.628 of the worst mass killer in American history. 00:01:18.669 --> 00:01:20.602 33 families... 00:01:20.636 --> 00:01:22.831 When you have a child taken out of your life, 00:01:22.872 --> 00:01:24.396 it's like a huge piece being ripped out... 00:01:24.440 --> 00:01:27.500 Cook County sheriff's deputies investigating the disappearance 00:01:27.543 --> 00:01:30.272 of a teenaged boy made a gruesome discovery 00:01:30.312 --> 00:01:33.145 in the crawl space beneath a Chicago residence. 00:01:33.181 --> 00:01:37.015 The owner of the house is local contractor John Wayne Gacy. 00:01:37.052 --> 00:01:39.111 The bodies of 28 victims have been recovered... 00:01:39.154 --> 00:01:42.145 He knew exactly what he was doing; he planned it in advance; 00:01:42.189 --> 00:01:44.623 he carried it out and he enjoyed it. 00:01:44.658 --> 00:01:47.218 spree was initially uncovered on a cold December day 00:01:47.261 --> 00:01:49.785 when the first of his victims was found in the crawl space 00:01:49.829 --> 00:01:50.989 beneath his suburban Chicago home. 00:01:51.030 --> 00:01:52.895 In the crawl space, bodies covered with lye 00:01:52.932 --> 00:01:56.095 dug up a few days before Christmas, one after another. 00:01:56.135 --> 00:01:58.500 The bodies of 28 victims have been recovered; 00:01:58.537 --> 00:02:01.199 another five retrieved from the Des Plaines River... 00:02:01.240 --> 00:02:03.400 Tuesday, four bodies; Wednesday, six bodies; 00:02:04.343 --> 00:02:05.867 and today, six bodies. 00:02:05.911 --> 00:02:08.936 Skeletonized remains of human bodies. 00:02:08.980 --> 00:02:11.813 At one point he told police how he murdered his victims. 00:02:11.849 --> 00:02:14.818 Now he's telling me he never did. 00:02:14.852 --> 00:02:17.320 John Wayne Gacy was convicted in 1980 00:02:17.355 --> 00:02:20.881 for the rape and murder of those 33 boys and young men, 00:02:20.924 --> 00:02:24.018 many of whom he buried under his Chicago house 00:02:24.060 --> 00:02:26.460 while others were found in the Des Plaines River. 00:02:26.496 --> 00:02:28.053 That was 13 years ago 00:02:28.097 --> 00:02:30.861 and today attorneys have filed their final appeal 00:02:30.900 --> 00:02:32.595 with the Seventh Circuit Court 00:02:32.635 --> 00:02:34.466 while Gacy remains on death row 00:02:34.503 --> 00:02:37.198 at the Menard Correctional Center in Illinois. 00:02:37.238 --> 00:02:41.334 The US Court of Appeals upheld his conviction and death sentence, 00:02:41.376 --> 00:02:44.539 a move that could clear the way for his execution within... 00:02:44.579 --> 00:02:46.705 Who are they talking about? 00:02:46.747 --> 00:02:49.614 Gacy. He just filed his last appeal. 00:02:49.650 --> 00:02:52.244 About what it's like to be waiting to die on death row. 00:02:52.286 --> 00:02:54.151 Due to be executed in six months... 00:02:54.187 --> 00:02:56.916 Feet off the coffee table. 00:02:56.956 --> 00:02:59.516 No, I don't sit around worrying about the death penalty. 00:02:59.559 --> 00:03:03.620 See, I'm a PMA kind of person... positive mental attitude. 00:03:03.663 --> 00:03:05.858 I don't have time for negative thinking and death... 00:03:05.897 --> 00:03:08.798 This guy's been in prison since '78 and they're just gonna kill him now? 00:03:08.833 --> 00:03:11.825 The reason it takes so long is 'cause of our appellate system. 00:03:11.870 --> 00:03:14.464 And refuses to cooperate with law enforcement. 00:03:14.506 --> 00:03:16.336 This thing that I did... 00:03:16.373 --> 00:03:20.901 no, if I'm guilty of anything, it's operating a funeral home without a license. 00:03:20.945 --> 00:03:22.640 And you want a career in law enforcement? 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:24.648 These people are so incompetent. 00:03:24.682 --> 00:03:26.512 Okay, Mom. 00:03:26.549 --> 00:03:28.141 They had no confession. 00:03:28.184 --> 00:03:31.051 I'm an embarrassment to the criminal-justice system 00:03:31.087 --> 00:03:32.952 because it's easier to kill me now 00:03:32.989 --> 00:03:35.923 than to admit that they screwed up 15 years ago. 00:03:35.958 --> 00:03:38.688 Authorities have tried on numerous occasions 00:03:38.727 --> 00:03:42.094 to elicit a detailed confession from Gacy, 00:03:42.130 --> 00:03:46.463 but he has remained tight-lipped about the crimes ever since his conviction. 00:03:46.500 --> 00:03:49.492 With time running out for the death-row inmate, 00:03:49.537 --> 00:03:53.200 the truth may never be revealed. 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:55.605 Antisocial Personality Disorder, 00:03:55.642 --> 00:03:57.667 or APD, 00:03:57.711 --> 00:04:02.580 is characterized by a lack of regard for the moral or legal standards 00:04:02.616 --> 00:04:04.810 in a given culture. 00:04:04.850 --> 00:04:08.513 There's also an inability to get along with others 00:04:08.554 --> 00:04:12.183 as well as to abide by societal rules. 00:04:12.224 --> 00:04:14.282 Now individuals with this disorder 00:04:14.325 --> 00:04:18.557 are often referred to as psychopaths or sociopaths, but in fact we know... 00:04:18.596 --> 00:04:20.564 Yes, Jason? 00:04:20.598 --> 00:04:23.464 Doesn't the DSM have a broader APD category 00:04:23.500 --> 00:04:27.027 that includes people who commit illegal, immoral or self-serving acts, 00:04:27.070 --> 00:04:31.097 but they're not necessarily psychopathic? 00:04:31.141 --> 00:04:34.007 What's the DSM? 00:04:34.043 --> 00:04:37.501 Oh, would you care to enlighten the class, Jason? 00:04:37.546 --> 00:04:42.539 Sure, it's the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders. 00:04:42.584 --> 00:04:45.280 And although it has some problems with reliability 00:04:45.320 --> 00:04:46.947 and is considered culturally biased, 00:04:46.988 --> 00:04:50.685 it is the major resource for mental-health professionals. 00:04:50.725 --> 00:04:53.249 - Well, thank you, Professor Moss. - Mm-hmm. 00:04:53.293 --> 00:04:55.853 Well, that's not precisely correct, 00:04:55.896 --> 00:04:58.421 but I'd say it's close enough. 00:05:00.334 --> 00:05:03.029 Uh, okay look, we're going over, 00:05:03.069 --> 00:05:05.867 so why don't we stop there and we will pick it up again next week? 00:05:05.905 --> 00:05:07.566 Thank you. 00:05:10.109 --> 00:05:12.508 - I'll catch up with you, okay? - Okay. 00:05:13.578 --> 00:05:15.637 Professor Harris? 00:05:15.681 --> 00:05:18.275 Can I talk to you about the term paper? 00:05:18.316 --> 00:05:21.250 Term paper? That's not due till the end of the year. 00:05:21.285 --> 00:05:24.550 Yeah, I know. I just... I want to get a head start on it. 00:05:24.588 --> 00:05:26.488 Sure. What's your question? 00:05:26.524 --> 00:05:29.049 So I want to do my paper on John Wayne Gacy. 00:05:29.093 --> 00:05:31.993 Gacy? What's the angle? 00:05:32.028 --> 00:05:34.019 Um... 00:05:34.064 --> 00:05:37.363 Well, there's a thousand angles that could be explored... 00:05:37.400 --> 00:05:41.665 um, capital punishment from the perspective of a death-row inmate; 00:05:41.704 --> 00:05:44.798 does Gacy fit the typical FBI profile of a serial killer? 00:05:44.840 --> 00:05:47.434 And he's... he's scheduled to be executed in six months, 00:05:47.476 --> 00:05:49.444 so he might be more willing to talk to me. 00:05:49.478 --> 00:05:54.039 You know, Jason, I've read a hundred papers on serial killers 00:05:54.082 --> 00:05:58.280 and quite frankly, I think the topic's overexposed and trite. 00:05:58.319 --> 00:06:02.755 You're gonna have to demonstrate a really strong academic angle here. 00:06:04.725 --> 00:06:06.556 Okay? 00:06:08.428 --> 00:06:10.657 Okay. 00:06:10.696 --> 00:06:13.790 I'll work on it. I'll get back to you. 00:06:13.833 --> 00:06:18.167 And don't forget, this paper counts for half your final grade. 00:06:18.204 --> 00:06:20.535 Yeah. Yeah, I'm not worried. 00:06:58.672 --> 00:07:00.401 Hi, Mr. Gacy. 00:07:00.441 --> 00:07:02.033 So where's the big guy? 00:07:02.076 --> 00:07:04.271 He had to make a delivery but he should be back soon. 00:07:04.311 --> 00:07:06.472 What kind of damage is he looking to do now? 00:07:06.514 --> 00:07:10.244 I think he was talking about tearing down that back wall by the storage area. 00:07:10.283 --> 00:07:12.808 All right, I'll go take a look. How's it going, pal? 00:07:12.852 --> 00:07:14.012 Hey. 00:07:16.922 --> 00:07:19.516 Did you get your Christmas bonus? 00:07:19.558 --> 00:07:22.527 No, not yet. 00:07:22.561 --> 00:07:24.324 - You? - No, not yet. 00:07:24.363 --> 00:07:26.330 Well, it better come in soon. 00:07:26.364 --> 00:07:28.730 How much you make an hour here? 00:07:28.766 --> 00:07:29.892 $2.50. 00:07:29.934 --> 00:07:32.528 You know, I pay my guys $7.50. 00:07:32.570 --> 00:07:34.504 Really? 00:07:34.539 --> 00:07:36.199 You interested? 00:08:05.465 --> 00:08:07.330 Oh shit. 00:08:25.650 --> 00:08:27.550 Hey. 00:08:27.586 --> 00:08:29.417 Where the fuck were you? 00:08:29.454 --> 00:08:32.014 I know, man, I'm sorry. I got held up. 00:08:36.193 --> 00:08:38.661 Look at me. Hey. 00:08:38.696 --> 00:08:40.425 What the fu... 00:08:40.464 --> 00:08:42.398 Alex, why does that guy keep fucking with you? 00:08:42.433 --> 00:08:46.232 Just drive, okay? I want to get out of here. 00:08:46.269 --> 00:08:48.601 - Later. - Bye, Alex. 00:08:51.908 --> 00:08:53.932 I'm sorry I was late. 00:09:20.100 --> 00:09:21.566 You guys are late. 00:09:21.600 --> 00:09:23.864 I know, Mom. It's my fault. 00:09:23.903 --> 00:09:27.737 Alex, take your hat off at the table. It's not polite. 00:09:27.773 --> 00:09:29.798 - So how was school, boys? - It was good. 00:09:29.842 --> 00:09:31.206 Good. 00:09:31.242 --> 00:09:32.937 Did you hear me? 00:09:32.977 --> 00:09:35.468 Alex, do what your mother says. 00:09:39.217 --> 00:09:41.309 What the hell happened to your eye? 00:09:41.351 --> 00:09:43.649 - Nothing. - What do you mean, nothing? 00:09:43.687 --> 00:09:46.349 It doesn't look like nothing to me. Jason, what happened? 00:09:46.390 --> 00:09:48.790 It's not a big deal, Mom, okay? 00:09:48.825 --> 00:09:51.292 He just got into it with some kid at school. 00:09:51.327 --> 00:09:54.888 You should see the other kid. Alex really held his own in there. 00:09:54.931 --> 00:09:58.128 - I don't support violence in this house. - It wasn't in this house. 00:09:58.167 --> 00:10:00.760 Don't get smart with me. 00:10:00.802 --> 00:10:03.896 Pass the salad. 00:10:03.939 --> 00:10:06.999 - So guess what? - What's that, Jason? 00:10:07.042 --> 00:10:10.704 I'm gonna write a letter to John Wayne Gacy. 00:10:10.744 --> 00:10:13.110 And who is John Wayne Gacy? 00:10:13.147 --> 00:10:15.274 He's a psychotic murderer, Frank. 00:10:15.316 --> 00:10:17.546 You don't know who John Gacy is? 00:10:17.584 --> 00:10:22.350 So why are you contacting this psychotic murderer, Jason? 00:10:22.388 --> 00:10:25.016 For my criminology class. 00:10:25.058 --> 00:10:27.549 Cool. Does he write his letters in blood? 00:10:27.593 --> 00:10:30.186 Frank, are you hearing any of this? 00:10:30.228 --> 00:10:32.423 Come on, Valerie, what's the point? 00:10:32.464 --> 00:10:35.126 Let him write the letter. Probably won't even write back. 00:10:35.167 --> 00:10:37.397 - I don't care. The answer is no. - Valerie... 00:10:37.436 --> 00:10:39.369 - No, I'm telling you... - Dear Mr. Gacy, 00:10:39.403 --> 00:10:42.839 my name is Jason Moss and I'm an 18-year-old college student. 00:10:42.873 --> 00:10:46.673 I'm writing because I thought you might get bored or lonely where you are 00:10:46.711 --> 00:10:49.645 and might want someone to correspond with. 00:10:49.679 --> 00:10:52.648 I've been seeing you on TV a lot lately 00:10:52.682 --> 00:10:55.014 and I wanted to talk to you directly 00:10:55.051 --> 00:10:58.781 as I'm sure most of what the media says about you is a lie. 00:11:00.456 --> 00:11:02.924 At the moment I live at home with my family. 00:11:02.958 --> 00:11:06.359 And if they found out I was writing to you, they'd probably kill me. 00:11:06.395 --> 00:11:09.921 But my mom is pretty much against everything I do anyways, 00:11:09.964 --> 00:11:12.262 so what's the difference? 00:11:11.400 --> 00:11:14.996 I have to admit that I'm really not much of a student. 00:11:15.036 --> 00:11:19.062 I barely graduated from high school, so it's a miracle I even got into college. 00:11:19.106 --> 00:11:22.473 But I'm just gonna go for a year or so to appease my parents 00:11:22.509 --> 00:11:24.704 and then when I can get enough money together 00:11:24.745 --> 00:11:26.541 I'll move out. 00:11:26.579 --> 00:11:29.412 I can't wait. 00:11:29.448 --> 00:11:33.509 At this point, I don't really know what else to say until you write me back. 00:11:33.552 --> 00:11:36.611 If you should need anything like paper or supplies, just let me know. 00:11:36.654 --> 00:11:38.588 I'd be happy to help. 00:11:38.623 --> 00:11:40.921 I'm sure there are many others who write you, 00:11:40.959 --> 00:11:43.393 but I hope you take the time to write me back. 00:11:43.428 --> 00:11:45.952 You'll see that I'm a pretty nice guy. 00:11:45.996 --> 00:11:48.794 I look forward to hearing from you soon. 00:11:48.832 --> 00:11:51.699 Your friend, Jason Moss. 00:11:53.103 --> 00:11:57.095 Look, Sam, I need to know how long this habeas corpus review is gonna be. 00:11:58.174 --> 00:12:00.665 I mean on average... how long does it take? 00:12:02.578 --> 00:12:04.977 I know that, Sam. I'm just trying to figure out 00:12:05.013 --> 00:12:07.641 how much time it's gonna buy me, you know? 00:12:07.682 --> 00:12:10.549 I know you're working hard. 00:12:10.585 --> 00:12:12.712 I know that. 00:12:12.754 --> 00:12:14.687 Listen to me, buddy, 00:12:14.722 --> 00:12:19.125 you've got to know that I'm counting on you here, pal. 00:12:19.160 --> 00:12:22.186 All right, all right. 00:12:22.229 --> 00:12:24.992 All right, keep me posted. If you hear anything, get back to me. 00:12:27.267 --> 00:12:29.394 Good news? 00:12:31.071 --> 00:12:33.665 He's an attorney; there's never any good news. 00:12:33.706 --> 00:12:36.367 But no worries. 00:12:36.408 --> 00:12:38.638 You know me, Stan. 00:12:38.677 --> 00:12:41.612 I got friends in high places pulling strings for me. 00:12:41.647 --> 00:12:43.477 I'm sure it'll all work out then. 00:12:43.514 --> 00:12:45.607 Yeah, it's no problem, buddy. 00:13:53.944 --> 00:13:56.071 ...and his motive unclear. 00:13:56.113 --> 00:13:58.172 In the summer of 1985, 00:13:58.215 --> 00:14:02.275 Southern California was held hostage by a rabid creature of the night, 00:14:02.318 --> 00:14:05.344 a phantom killer who cloaked himself in darkness 00:14:05.388 --> 00:14:07.151 and soon became known as... 00:14:25.239 --> 00:14:27.264 What the fuck? 00:14:33.079 --> 00:14:35.138 Look at this. 00:14:39.585 --> 00:14:42.145 - What is this? - It's a questionnaire. 00:14:42.188 --> 00:14:44.247 Where'd you get it? 00:14:44.290 --> 00:14:46.781 It's from John Wayne Gacy. 00:14:48.294 --> 00:14:51.228 The serial killer? 00:14:52.297 --> 00:14:53.594 Yeah. 00:14:53.631 --> 00:14:55.826 I told you, I'm writing him for my criminology paper. 00:14:58.036 --> 00:14:59.627 No you didn't. 00:14:59.670 --> 00:15:02.298 I didn't? Really? 00:15:02.339 --> 00:15:05.137 Look, you know, I probably didn't think it was a big deal 00:15:05.175 --> 00:15:08.268 because I never thought he'd write me back, but... 00:15:11.814 --> 00:15:15.944 "What's your relationship like with your parents? 00:15:15.985 --> 00:15:18.475 Do you have a girlfriend? 00:15:19.654 --> 00:15:23.385 How often do you masturbate?" That's disgusting. 00:15:23.425 --> 00:15:25.518 Why are you writing to this guy? 00:15:26.962 --> 00:15:29.930 I just told you... it's for my paper. 00:15:29.964 --> 00:15:32.797 You couldn't think of anything else to do your paper on? 00:15:32.833 --> 00:15:35.597 No, this is what's intriguing to me. 00:15:38.938 --> 00:15:41.600 You're not really gonna tell him about yourself, right? 00:15:46.578 --> 00:15:48.637 No no. 00:15:48.680 --> 00:15:52.251 That wouldn't be the best approach, would it? 00:15:55.287 --> 00:15:58.687 So I see Victor Leon Carsenos is back on your most-wanted list. 00:15:58.723 --> 00:16:02.090 Didn't you guys arrest him in '92 for felonious homicide? 00:16:02.126 --> 00:16:04.959 Yep, but he got off on a technicality. 00:16:04.996 --> 00:16:07.555 So what's the urgency, Mr. Ross? 00:16:07.597 --> 00:16:12.159 Uh, it's... it's this, sir. 00:16:12.202 --> 00:16:13.794 And it's "Moss." 00:16:18.073 --> 00:16:21.474 - A questionnaire? - From John Wayne Gacy. 00:16:21.510 --> 00:16:23.944 Okay. 00:16:23.979 --> 00:16:27.880 I wrote him for my criminology term paper and he sent me that back, 00:16:27.915 --> 00:16:31.874 so I was hoping the FBI would be able to give me some more information on him. 00:16:31.919 --> 00:16:35.581 Well, unfortunately you're barking up the wrong tree, son. 00:16:35.622 --> 00:16:38.489 We don't have any information here on John Gacy. 00:16:39.726 --> 00:16:42.024 If we did have anything, it'd probably be at the Chicago bureau. 00:16:42.062 --> 00:16:46.122 Really? 'Cause, well, he lived here in '62. 00:16:46.165 --> 00:16:49.931 He worked part time as a janitor at a funeral parlor. 00:16:49.969 --> 00:16:53.496 And then shortly after that, he was convicted of child molestation 00:16:53.539 --> 00:16:56.735 for which he served only 18 months of a 10-year sentence. 00:16:56.775 --> 00:16:58.572 Mmm. 00:16:58.610 --> 00:17:02.637 Well, you know so much about him, 00:17:02.681 --> 00:17:04.545 what do you need me for? 00:17:04.581 --> 00:17:08.847 Well, I was hoping you could tell me something I didn't already know. 00:17:11.455 --> 00:17:14.082 Look, son, like I told you before, 00:17:14.123 --> 00:17:17.286 we don't have anything here on John Gacy. 00:17:17.327 --> 00:17:19.989 And the only thing I heard about him was about some kid 00:17:20.029 --> 00:17:22.758 that claimed he had an encounter with Gacy. 00:17:22.798 --> 00:17:24.857 But that was all over the news when he moved here, 00:17:24.900 --> 00:17:27.892 so I'm sure you already know about that. 00:17:27.936 --> 00:17:29.403 An encounter? 00:17:29.438 --> 00:17:32.100 Like what do you mean... he survived an attack? 00:17:32.140 --> 00:17:33.902 Who was it? 00:17:33.941 --> 00:17:36.171 I don't remember the kid's name. 00:17:39.947 --> 00:17:44.007 Have you guys ever tried writing him from a potential victim's perspective? 00:17:45.685 --> 00:17:47.619 All psychological profiling's done out of Quantico, 00:17:47.654 --> 00:17:49.622 so you'd have to talk to them. 00:17:49.656 --> 00:17:52.123 Yeah? Okay, do you have someone I can contact there? 00:17:55.361 --> 00:17:59.422 Listen, kid, you're what... 18? 00:17:59.465 --> 00:18:03.400 Go get laid. Find a party, have fun. 00:18:03.434 --> 00:18:05.698 Don't get caught up in all this shit 00:18:05.737 --> 00:18:08.205 'cause it's only gonna lead to trouble. 00:18:08.239 --> 00:18:12.766 Write your term paper about legalizing marijuana 00:18:12.809 --> 00:18:15.903 and go be a teenager, for Christ's sake. 00:18:15.946 --> 00:18:19.074 Okay. Well, thank you. 00:18:20.516 --> 00:18:23.952 So tell me about your relationship with your father. 00:18:23.986 --> 00:18:26.284 I could never get along with my dad. 00:18:26.322 --> 00:18:28.415 I mean, he was always just too overbearing. 00:18:28.457 --> 00:18:30.447 I was always dumb and stupid. 00:18:30.492 --> 00:18:33.791 I would never amount to anything. So I said to hell with it. 00:18:33.828 --> 00:18:38.231 I remember one time I was rasslin' around with some older kids 00:18:38.266 --> 00:18:39.732 and I passed out. 00:18:39.767 --> 00:18:42.861 So I was always more or less a sickly kid, you know. 00:18:42.903 --> 00:18:46.999 And I guess that embarrassed him. 00:18:47.040 --> 00:18:50.406 Okay, so you continue to deny the murder of those 33 young boys, 00:18:50.443 --> 00:18:54.402 but how do you explain the bodies found beneath your house? 00:18:54.447 --> 00:18:58.474 The state wants you to believe this fantasy theory, right, 00:18:58.518 --> 00:19:00.712 that the motive was sex 00:19:00.752 --> 00:19:04.483 and that they were all killed so that they couldn't tell anyone what they saw. 00:19:04.523 --> 00:19:07.287 That's ridiculous. It doesn't hold water. 00:19:07.325 --> 00:19:09.087 The facts don't match the fantasy. 00:19:09.126 --> 00:19:12.459 Which raises the question who John Gacy really is... 00:19:12.496 --> 00:19:14.521 the 34th victim. 00:19:14.565 --> 00:19:16.965 Are you a homosexual? 00:19:17.001 --> 00:19:20.834 I would definitely not be homosexual. 00:19:20.870 --> 00:19:23.270 Now I have nothing against the things that they do 00:19:23.306 --> 00:19:26.764 and I openly admit that I've engaged in sex with males. 00:19:26.810 --> 00:19:28.834 But I would be bisexual. 00:19:28.877 --> 00:19:31.937 I mean the idea that I'm some crazed homosexual killer 00:19:31.980 --> 00:19:33.572 strolling around the streets 00:19:33.615 --> 00:19:36.709 stalking and murdering young altar boys is ludicrous. 00:19:36.752 --> 00:19:38.742 Hell, if you could have seen my schedule, 00:19:38.786 --> 00:19:42.119 you'd know damn well I was never out there. 00:19:44.325 --> 00:19:48.317 I would definitely not be homosexual. 00:19:48.361 --> 00:19:50.556 Now I have nothing against the things that they do 00:19:50.597 --> 00:19:53.828 and I openly admit that I've engaged in sex with males. 00:19:53.867 --> 00:19:56.267 But I would be bisexual. 00:20:06.478 --> 00:20:08.275 What are you doing? 00:20:08.313 --> 00:20:10.747 What does it look like? 00:20:10.782 --> 00:20:12.579 Since when does Jason lift weights? 00:20:12.617 --> 00:20:15.711 Since now, okay? 00:20:15.753 --> 00:20:18.346 Hey hey, go get your camera. 00:20:19.756 --> 00:20:21.781 I need you to take some pictures for me. 00:20:21.825 --> 00:20:23.190 Of what? 00:20:23.227 --> 00:20:25.388 Come on, let's go. 00:20:27.063 --> 00:20:29.122 - This is ridiculous. - Would you just hurry up, please, 00:20:29.165 --> 00:20:31.326 before Mom comes home? 00:20:33.903 --> 00:20:35.529 Why are you trying to look sexy? 00:20:35.570 --> 00:20:38.004 Because, buddy, Gacy's a homo 00:20:38.039 --> 00:20:41.600 so I need to look like a homo, do you get that? 00:20:41.643 --> 00:20:43.736 - Come on. - This is so disgusting. 00:20:43.778 --> 00:20:47.474 Just take the picture. 00:20:47.515 --> 00:20:50.109 Oh, wait wait wait. How are my abs? Are they good? 00:20:50.150 --> 00:20:52.209 I'm not gonna look at your abs. 00:20:52.253 --> 00:20:54.244 Alex, could you just help me out, please? 00:20:54.288 --> 00:20:56.346 I need to make sure these come out right, okay? 00:20:56.389 --> 00:20:59.085 - Your abs look fabulous. - Thank you. 00:21:02.595 --> 00:21:05.119 Okay, one more, one more. 00:21:08.934 --> 00:21:10.799 How'd that look? 00:21:10.836 --> 00:21:13.134 Gay. 00:21:13.171 --> 00:21:15.468 Perfect. 00:21:26.116 --> 00:21:29.608 Open D-32. 00:21:30.787 --> 00:21:33.482 Hey, Picasso, your mail's here. 00:21:33.522 --> 00:21:36.218 How's it going, buddy? 00:21:36.258 --> 00:21:38.249 Another clown, huh? 00:21:38.294 --> 00:21:40.854 Well, that's what the people want, Stan, 00:21:40.896 --> 00:21:42.454 that's what they get. 00:21:42.497 --> 00:21:45.466 How else could I be able to afford this lavish lifestyle in here? 00:21:45.500 --> 00:21:48.298 Speaking of lavish lifestyle, your Cubans came in. 00:21:48.336 --> 00:21:50.065 Oh yeah? Great. 00:21:54.541 --> 00:21:57.009 Well, back to the grind, huh? 00:21:57.044 --> 00:21:59.035 Where are you off to in such a hurry? 00:21:59.079 --> 00:22:02.411 I thought maybe we'd kick back and smoke a couple of these babies. 00:22:02.448 --> 00:22:05.144 You know the rules. 00:22:05.184 --> 00:22:07.744 Hey, Stan? 00:22:08.955 --> 00:22:11.082 Rules are meant to be broken. 00:22:11.123 --> 00:22:13.955 So why are you here? 00:22:13.992 --> 00:22:16.893 - Best to your family, pal. - Close D-32. 00:22:51.425 --> 00:22:54.360 My relationship with my parents is not the greatest. 00:22:54.395 --> 00:22:57.853 My mom is always on my ass trying to control my life. 00:22:57.898 --> 00:23:00.957 My dad's normally more passive. However, he has a temper 00:23:01.001 --> 00:23:04.903 and loses it once in a while and can beat my ass pretty good. 00:23:04.938 --> 00:23:08.430 Nobody knows I'm thinking about being a nude dancer to earn extra money, 00:23:08.475 --> 00:23:10.374 which is a bit tight for me right now. 00:23:10.409 --> 00:23:13.071 I don't even know why I'm telling you all this. 00:23:13.112 --> 00:23:16.172 I guess I just feel like I can open up to you. 00:23:16.215 --> 00:23:19.411 Well, I really want us to become friends. 00:23:19.450 --> 00:23:22.317 So I look forward to hearing back from you soon. 00:23:22.353 --> 00:23:25.550 Yours, Jason. 00:23:25.590 --> 00:23:27.820 One of the things you should know about me 00:23:27.859 --> 00:23:30.622 is that I'm open-minded, outspoken, 00:23:30.661 --> 00:23:33.653 not very tactful, nonjudgmental, 00:23:33.697 --> 00:23:35.892 liberal, and I say what I mean. 00:23:35.932 --> 00:23:39.367 The only thing I ask is don't assume anything of me. 00:23:39.402 --> 00:23:42.030 If you're not sure, then ask. 00:23:42.071 --> 00:23:44.869 Nothing offends me and nothing is personal. 00:23:44.907 --> 00:23:47.501 No subject is off limits as long as you're willing 00:23:47.543 --> 00:23:50.204 to be just as open and honest as me. 00:23:50.245 --> 00:23:53.908 I want you to feel free to say what is on your mind, good or bad. 00:23:53.948 --> 00:23:58.111 Even if it's 20 pages long, I want you to tell me everything about you. 00:23:58.152 --> 00:24:00.211 Don't worry about what I might think. 00:24:00.254 --> 00:24:03.883 I am truly fascinated to know about the ideas, thoughts and emotions 00:24:03.924 --> 00:24:06.552 that enter your mind. 00:24:06.593 --> 00:24:08.321 I am a very liberal person. 00:24:08.361 --> 00:24:11.125 And since you said you will not share my letters with anyone, 00:24:11.164 --> 00:24:15.260 I feel I can confide in you, as I hope you can also do with me. 00:24:15.301 --> 00:24:18.269 As far as sex goes, I haven't done a lot. 00:24:18.303 --> 00:24:20.032 I don't have a girlfriend or anything, 00:24:20.072 --> 00:24:23.098 but I have an open mind to try many different things. 00:24:23.141 --> 00:24:26.667 You want my opinion on something, that's what you'll get. 00:24:26.711 --> 00:24:29.942 I want to know all your innermost feelings and thoughts. 00:24:29.980 --> 00:24:31.777 What do you fantasize about? 00:24:31.816 --> 00:24:35.445 You say that you're thinking about hustling for money, I say go for it. 00:24:35.486 --> 00:24:38.784 But you have to promise you'll tell me all about it. Don't hold back. 00:24:38.822 --> 00:24:41.154 I want details... everything. 00:24:41.191 --> 00:24:44.422 You and I are gonna be real close, buddy. 00:24:48.697 --> 00:24:50.399 Professor Harris? 00:24:50.399 --> 00:24:51.058 Professor Harris? 00:24:51.100 --> 00:24:52.465 Yes, Mr. Moss? 00:24:52.501 --> 00:24:56.266 Hi. I wanted to share my new angle with you. 00:24:56.304 --> 00:24:59.467 - What's that? - Well, read it. 00:25:01.109 --> 00:25:02.906 A letter from Gacy? 00:25:02.944 --> 00:25:05.434 - You got him to write to you? - Yeah. 00:25:10.984 --> 00:25:14.510 Okay. What are you gonna do with it? 00:25:14.553 --> 00:25:19.286 I'm gonna get information out of him that no one else has been able to... 00:25:19.325 --> 00:25:22.988 not the police, not the FBI, not even his own wife. 00:25:24.229 --> 00:25:28.529 I'm gonna get inside this guy's head and figure out what makes him tick. 00:25:28.566 --> 00:25:30.431 Well, that's quite a lofty goal, Jason, 00:25:30.468 --> 00:25:33.403 but I still don't know what your paper's about. 00:25:33.438 --> 00:25:36.406 Well, my paper is about 00:25:36.440 --> 00:25:39.637 journeying into the mind of a serial killer. 00:25:39.676 --> 00:25:42.770 Is that a strong enough angle for you? 00:25:46.983 --> 00:25:50.214 Okay, Jason, you're going to do what you want anyway, 00:25:50.253 --> 00:25:52.744 so go ahead. 00:25:52.788 --> 00:25:55.848 But don't let your ego get in the way of your instincts. 00:25:55.891 --> 00:25:58.860 This guy's talent is fooling people into trusting him. 00:25:58.894 --> 00:26:02.693 Yeah, but that's also his weakness. 00:26:02.730 --> 00:26:04.857 He's so convinced he always has the upper hand, 00:26:04.899 --> 00:26:08.062 he wouldn't even for an instant think that one of his potential victims 00:26:08.102 --> 00:26:10.263 could be way ahead of him. 00:26:10.304 --> 00:26:12.464 I'm working on a strategy. 00:26:12.505 --> 00:26:14.666 I even found a guy who survived an attack. 00:26:14.707 --> 00:26:16.038 You give me a couple of weeks 00:26:16.075 --> 00:26:18.202 and I'll have him eating out of the palm of my hand. 00:27:10.557 --> 00:27:13.355 - Can I help you? - Yeah, Mr. Phillips? 00:27:13.393 --> 00:27:17.193 Hi, I'm Jason Moss. I'm a student at the university. 00:27:17.231 --> 00:27:20.222 - I'm doing a paper about John Gacy... - Not interested. 00:27:20.266 --> 00:27:22.632 Whoa whoa, hey hey! Just hear me out. 00:27:22.668 --> 00:27:24.636 Get the fuck out of here. 00:27:30.208 --> 00:27:33.644 I'll just take up five minutes of your time, I promise. 00:27:35.580 --> 00:27:37.673 Come on, you know him a lot better than I do. 00:27:37.716 --> 00:27:39.774 I just want to figure out how he operates. 00:27:39.817 --> 00:27:42.445 What part of "Get the fuck out of here" don't you get? 00:27:43.454 --> 00:27:46.548 Look, I wrote him, okay? And he wrote me back. 00:27:46.590 --> 00:27:50.081 Look. He's very interested in me. 00:27:50.126 --> 00:27:52.094 Yeah, of course he's interested. 00:27:52.128 --> 00:27:54.119 Listen listen, I didn't mean to make you feel uncomfortable. 00:27:54.163 --> 00:27:55.960 I just... you know, I thought you could help me figure out 00:27:55.999 --> 00:27:57.660 who I'm really dealing with here. 00:27:59.635 --> 00:28:01.830 I hope you never find out. 00:28:20.120 --> 00:28:21.917 Hello? 00:28:21.955 --> 00:28:24.014 I have a collect call from inmate John Gacy 00:28:24.057 --> 00:28:27.184 from the Menard Correctional Center. Will you accept the charges? 00:28:29.128 --> 00:28:32.620 Yes yes. Uh, yes, Operator, I accept. 00:28:32.665 --> 00:28:35.031 Go ahead, sir. 00:28:35.067 --> 00:28:37.057 What's up, buddy? 00:28:38.169 --> 00:28:39.898 Hey. 00:28:41.973 --> 00:28:43.304 Wait. 00:28:43.341 --> 00:28:46.207 How did you get my number? It's not listed. 00:28:46.243 --> 00:28:50.236 I told you I got friends in high places. 00:28:50.280 --> 00:28:53.078 What's the matter? You don't like surprises, Jason? 00:28:53.116 --> 00:28:55.845 No. 00:28:55.885 --> 00:28:57.614 Uh... 00:28:57.653 --> 00:28:59.518 So what are you doing right now? 00:28:59.555 --> 00:29:02.456 I'm just sitting around watching TV. 00:29:04.026 --> 00:29:06.459 Well, I was... I was sleeping. 00:29:06.494 --> 00:29:09.088 Oh, the time difference, that's right. 00:29:09.130 --> 00:29:13.464 Sorry about that. I don't really sleep too much. 00:29:13.501 --> 00:29:16.628 No no, no problem. 00:29:16.670 --> 00:29:20.003 So what were you doing? Out late banging your girlfriend? 00:29:20.040 --> 00:29:22.133 Uh, no. 00:29:22.176 --> 00:29:24.474 I told you, John, I don't have a girlfriend. 00:29:24.511 --> 00:29:28.173 That's right. That's right. 00:29:36.154 --> 00:29:38.452 I can't believe I'm actually talking to you right now. 00:29:38.490 --> 00:29:40.958 I know this must be awkward for you, 00:29:40.993 --> 00:29:43.927 but just try to relax, you know? 00:29:43.961 --> 00:29:47.522 Tell me about your day. How's school? 00:29:47.565 --> 00:29:50.659 You still flunking out? Don't feel bad. 00:29:50.701 --> 00:29:53.498 I was never much of a student myself. 00:29:53.536 --> 00:29:55.936 My teachers were all assholes. 00:30:03.445 --> 00:30:06.710 You asked about a sense of power. 00:30:06.749 --> 00:30:10.480 Now I think everybody feels that when having sex. 00:30:11.820 --> 00:30:15.585 The power to get somebody off with your tongue is wild. 00:30:17.091 --> 00:30:19.889 I could even see doing that to you and having fun. 00:30:26.099 --> 00:30:29.330 Holy shit, John, it's almost 7:00. 00:30:30.404 --> 00:30:32.871 Shit, my parents are gonna kill me when they get this phone bill. 00:30:32.905 --> 00:30:36.568 Don't worry about that, buddy. I'll send you money for the calls. 00:30:36.609 --> 00:30:38.702 Wow, that'd be great. Thank you. 00:30:38.744 --> 00:30:41.406 I've got your back, bud. Hmm? 00:30:41.447 --> 00:30:44.244 I know money's tight for you now. 00:30:44.282 --> 00:30:46.682 Yeah, it is. 00:30:46.718 --> 00:30:50.518 You should think about going out hustling like we were talking about. 00:30:50.555 --> 00:30:53.523 A pretty boy like you would make a lot of money. 00:30:53.557 --> 00:30:55.286 Yeah, probably. 00:30:55.325 --> 00:30:58.089 Well, do it. Talk is cheap, man. 00:30:58.128 --> 00:31:00.323 Why don't you go out tonight? 00:31:00.364 --> 00:31:04.197 Okay. Okay, I will. 00:31:04.233 --> 00:31:07.066 - Yeah? - That's a good idea. 00:31:07.103 --> 00:31:11.232 I'll give you a call tomorrow at 4:00. You can tell me all about it. 00:31:12.607 --> 00:31:15.167 - And Jason? - Yeah? 00:31:15.210 --> 00:31:19.112 I want to hear every last detail. 00:31:19.147 --> 00:31:21.307 Okay. 00:31:23.884 --> 00:31:26.182 Bye, John. 00:31:35.295 --> 00:31:36.455 Jason, 00:31:36.496 --> 00:31:40.795 you are a fucking genius. 00:31:53.878 --> 00:31:57.279 If you're hustling on the street, location is crucial. 00:31:57.315 --> 00:32:00.283 Don't pick an area that's too busy. And watch out for the cops, 00:32:00.317 --> 00:32:02.114 those fuckers. 00:32:02.152 --> 00:32:03.551 Wear something nice, 00:32:03.587 --> 00:32:07.523 like a pair of cut-off shorts to show off your sweet ass. 00:32:07.557 --> 00:32:10.582 And you want to walk in a way to attract attention. 00:32:10.626 --> 00:32:13.652 Be sexy. Try working your hips. 00:32:13.696 --> 00:32:16.688 And when you approach buyers, remember to be flexible. 00:32:16.732 --> 00:32:19.564 They've got the money so they're in control. 00:32:19.601 --> 00:32:23.332 And they're gonna want to do it all... fuck you in the ass, the mouth; 00:32:23.371 --> 00:32:25.669 want you to fuck and suck them... all of it. 00:32:25.707 --> 00:32:29.802 You're there to provide a service. It's nothing personal. 00:32:29.843 --> 00:32:32.209 But make sure you get paid upfront. 00:32:32.246 --> 00:32:34.714 There's a lot of fucked-up people out there in the world 00:32:34.748 --> 00:32:36.909 that are gonna want to take advantage of you, 00:32:36.950 --> 00:32:40.214 so always watch your back. 00:32:47.893 --> 00:32:50.054 Excuse me? 00:32:51.263 --> 00:32:53.925 Well, look what the cat dragged in. 00:32:53.965 --> 00:32:55.694 Meow. 00:32:57.668 --> 00:33:00.159 Um, I was just wondering if l... 00:33:00.204 --> 00:33:03.071 Oh, and he's shy too. 00:33:03.107 --> 00:33:05.940 What's your name, kitty cat? 00:33:05.975 --> 00:33:09.001 It's Ja... Jack. 00:33:09.045 --> 00:33:11.673 Cute. 00:33:11.714 --> 00:33:14.114 So? 00:33:20.022 --> 00:33:21.887 So how do you want it? 00:33:21.924 --> 00:33:25.859 No, actually, I was wondering if I could pay you 00:33:25.893 --> 00:33:28.225 just to talk to me. 00:33:28.262 --> 00:33:30.162 No, see, I'm a student. I'm trying to write a paper... 00:33:30.198 --> 00:33:31.859 - Oh, hell no. - Wait wait wait, hey hey. 00:33:31.899 --> 00:33:33.457 - Wait wait. - You a pig? 00:33:33.501 --> 00:33:37.061 No no, I'm not. I just want to ask you some questions. 00:33:37.103 --> 00:33:39.401 Okay? I have money. I can pay you. 00:33:39.439 --> 00:33:41.373 Look. 00:33:52.518 --> 00:33:55.645 Come on, "Ja... Jack." 00:33:55.687 --> 00:33:58.451 I know the perfect place. 00:34:45.164 --> 00:34:49.430 So is this... is this where you take most of your customers? 00:34:51.104 --> 00:34:54.300 Hey, this is my special friend. 00:34:54.339 --> 00:34:56.534 Get him a drink. 00:34:59.344 --> 00:35:02.312 So tell... tell me about your approach. 00:35:02.346 --> 00:35:04.746 Like what kind of language do you use? 00:35:05.950 --> 00:35:10.887 You know, the terms you use for describing your various services. 00:35:21.130 --> 00:35:22.961 Drink up. 00:35:28.737 --> 00:35:29.931 Ahem. 00:35:29.972 --> 00:35:32.531 Like what do guys usually ask for? 00:35:35.143 --> 00:35:39.045 Most guys just want a blow job or they just want to be the top man. 00:35:39.080 --> 00:35:41.274 Sorry, what? "The top man"? 00:35:41.315 --> 00:35:44.648 You really don't get out much, do you, kid? 00:35:44.685 --> 00:35:49.520 That's where they get to do me from behind. 00:35:49.556 --> 00:35:51.580 That costs the most. 00:35:51.624 --> 00:35:54.491 I get it all though... everything from guys paying to suck my dick 00:35:54.527 --> 00:35:57.018 to me fucking them up the ass. 00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:04.234 Anyone ever try to hurt you? 00:36:08.073 --> 00:36:11.701 I was sucking some guy off when he put a knife to my throat. 00:36:11.742 --> 00:36:16.338 I tried to finish him off and get out of there, but he fucking cut me anyway. 00:36:19.115 --> 00:36:21.242 Was he trying to kill you? 00:36:21.284 --> 00:36:24.845 This is fucking boring me, all right? 00:36:24.887 --> 00:36:29.084 Finish your drink. I want you to meet a friend of mine. 00:36:53.179 --> 00:36:55.739 I want you to meet a friend of mine. 00:36:55.782 --> 00:37:00.184 This is my special friend. Trust me. Go ahead. 00:37:00.219 --> 00:37:02.312 Trust me. 00:37:35.817 --> 00:37:37.648 Jason. 00:37:47.327 --> 00:37:49.090 Oh God. 00:38:18.923 --> 00:38:20.788 Hey. 00:38:20.825 --> 00:38:23.350 You okay? 00:38:23.394 --> 00:38:26.851 You didn't show up at class. You haven't missed class since third grade. 00:38:26.896 --> 00:38:29.626 Yeah, I was just feeling a little tired. 00:38:35.471 --> 00:38:37.666 Hey, come here. 00:38:40.876 --> 00:38:43.275 Give me your hand. 00:38:49.016 --> 00:38:51.246 Come here, sit down. 00:39:02.761 --> 00:39:05.423 You know, Jason, 00:39:05.464 --> 00:39:08.058 I don't think this Gacy thing is healthy. 00:39:10.102 --> 00:39:12.296 You know... oh God. 00:39:12.337 --> 00:39:15.602 Listen, if you're here to lecture me, I'm just not in the mood for it. 00:39:15.640 --> 00:39:18.609 No, I don't want to lecture you. I'm concerned about you, Jason. 00:39:18.643 --> 00:39:21.611 You haven't been the same since you started writing to this guy. 00:39:21.645 --> 00:39:25.137 I just don't have the strength for this right now. Can we do it later? 00:39:25.182 --> 00:39:27.013 - No, you keep putting me off. - Yeah. 00:39:27.050 --> 00:39:29.075 I want to know what's going on with you. This isn't fair. 00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:32.884 I just... I'm feeling... I'm feeling like I might throw up. 00:39:32.922 --> 00:39:35.049 I'm feeling really sick, so... 00:39:35.091 --> 00:39:39.687 maybe if... if you could just go? 00:39:39.729 --> 00:39:42.595 If you could just go, we'll talk about it later, okay? 00:39:42.631 --> 00:39:44.895 - Fine. - Thank you. 00:39:44.933 --> 00:39:47.458 - I hope you feel better. - Okay, thanks. 00:39:50.238 --> 00:39:52.762 - Hello? - You have a collect call 00:39:52.806 --> 00:39:56.003 from inmate John Gacy from the Menard Correctional Center. 00:39:56.043 --> 00:39:57.840 Will you accept the charges? 00:39:57.878 --> 00:40:00.869 - Yes yes, I accept the call. - Thank you. 00:40:00.914 --> 00:40:03.041 - Hey, pal. - Hey. 00:40:03.082 --> 00:40:04.811 So how'd it go last night? 00:40:04.851 --> 00:40:08.116 Uh, not good, John. 00:40:08.154 --> 00:40:10.348 What happened? 00:40:10.389 --> 00:40:13.051 Well, I picked this guy up on the street, right? 00:40:13.091 --> 00:40:15.821 And we went to the club, we had a drink. 00:40:15.861 --> 00:40:19.193 He offered me $200 to be his top man. 00:40:19.230 --> 00:40:21.255 But when I stood up, 00:40:21.299 --> 00:40:24.757 I realized that that fucker had drugged me. 00:40:24.802 --> 00:40:27.794 Oh shit. So what'd you do then? 00:40:27.838 --> 00:40:29.327 I ran. 00:40:30.640 --> 00:40:32.870 That fuck stole my wallet too. 00:40:32.909 --> 00:40:35.309 That pussy cock motherfucker. 00:40:35.345 --> 00:40:37.643 You want me to have him taken care of? 00:40:37.681 --> 00:40:39.307 What do you mean? 00:40:39.348 --> 00:40:42.146 I know a lot of people out there, Jason. They'll find this cocksucker 00:40:42.184 --> 00:40:44.209 and they'll cut his dick off. 00:40:44.253 --> 00:40:47.051 I'm very protective of the people that I'm close to. 00:40:47.089 --> 00:40:49.955 No no, John, don't worry about it. 00:40:49.991 --> 00:40:54.928 So why weren't you more careful about who you picked up? 00:40:54.963 --> 00:40:57.523 I told you you've got to learn to read people. 00:40:57.565 --> 00:41:00.897 You've got to figure them out before they figure you out. 00:41:00.934 --> 00:41:04.495 You've always got to be five steps ahead of everyone, 00:41:04.538 --> 00:41:07.631 so that you're the one who maintains the control. 00:41:09.342 --> 00:41:13.642 I watch people very closely when they don't know I'm watching them. 00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:15.840 I try to figure out where they're going, 00:41:15.881 --> 00:41:20.044 what they're thinking, what's really going on in their mind. 00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:26.186 By observing their behavior, you can learn what their weaknesses are, 00:41:26.224 --> 00:41:30.626 their vulnerabilities, their fears. 00:41:36.066 --> 00:41:40.968 And once you get into their minds, you've got the power. 00:41:41.004 --> 00:41:44.940 - To do what? - Anything you want. 00:42:17.536 --> 00:42:20.801 Well, John, thank God I've got you to talk to about these things. 00:42:20.839 --> 00:42:22.670 I'm learning from the best. 00:42:22.708 --> 00:42:24.732 We're a lot more alike than you think. 00:42:24.776 --> 00:42:29.509 I just taught you. Now it's your turn to teach me. 00:42:31.582 --> 00:42:35.312 What I want to learn all about is that little brother of yours. 00:42:35.352 --> 00:42:37.149 Hey! 00:42:37.187 --> 00:42:39.212 Hey. 00:42:39.256 --> 00:42:41.884 - What are you doing? - Nothing nothing. 00:42:41.925 --> 00:42:44.722 - What are you doing? - I just got out of class. 00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:47.524 Cool. 00:42:47.563 --> 00:42:51.124 Listen, I'm sorry about the other day. I was just... I was feeling out of it. 00:42:51.167 --> 00:42:53.930 I'm much better now though. 00:42:53.968 --> 00:42:55.959 Good. 00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:00.840 What are you doing? Do you want to go hang out? 00:43:00.875 --> 00:43:03.468 Yeah, I have to study, but maybe you could come with me 00:43:03.510 --> 00:43:05.307 and we could get a movie or something after? 00:43:05.345 --> 00:43:07.472 Yeah yeah, that sounds good. 00:43:07.514 --> 00:43:09.709 - Cool. - Okay, come on. 00:43:25.497 --> 00:43:29.399 Hey. So if opposite charges attract 00:43:29.434 --> 00:43:31.958 and two like charges repel each other, 00:43:32.002 --> 00:43:36.496 what is the nature of their mutual interactive force? 00:43:36.540 --> 00:43:39.873 What do I look like to you, an encyclopedia? 00:43:39.910 --> 00:43:43.174 - Hmm? - Jeez, somebody's cranky. 00:43:47.650 --> 00:43:49.413 Get out of here. 00:43:49.452 --> 00:43:53.410 Don't. Get out of here. 00:43:53.455 --> 00:43:55.286 We're in a library, okay? 00:44:02.430 --> 00:44:04.523 What the hell are these? 00:44:05.967 --> 00:44:08.800 Would you give me... give 'em! They're for my paper. 00:44:08.836 --> 00:44:10.996 - For your paper? - Yes, for my... for my paper. 00:44:11.037 --> 00:44:14.268 I posed like this when I first sent Gacy a letter so he'd write me back. 00:44:14.307 --> 00:44:16.434 I can't take any more of this Gacy shit, Jason. 00:44:16.476 --> 00:44:18.944 - It's gone too far. - Would you keep your voice down, please? 00:44:18.979 --> 00:44:20.946 - What is the big deal? - What is the big deal? 00:44:20.980 --> 00:44:24.211 My boyfriend is posing seductively for a serial killer in prison 00:44:24.250 --> 00:44:27.014 and you don't think it's a big deal? People already think you're gay, Jason. 00:44:27.052 --> 00:44:28.986 I don't give a shit what people think. 00:44:29.021 --> 00:44:31.011 - Are you gay? - Am I gay? 00:44:31.055 --> 00:44:35.219 You know what, Alyssa? You can go to hell. 00:44:35.260 --> 00:44:36.784 Fuck. 00:45:15.329 --> 00:45:18.024 - Hey. - Hey. 00:45:21.034 --> 00:45:23.696 You wanted to borrow this, right? 00:45:23.736 --> 00:45:27.364 - Oh yeah. Thanks. - Yeah, no problem. 00:45:34.546 --> 00:45:37.446 So l... 00:45:37.481 --> 00:45:40.006 Gacy was asking about you. 00:45:40.051 --> 00:45:41.484 - Gacy? - Yeah. 00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:43.350 - Why me? - I don't know. I don't know. 00:45:43.387 --> 00:45:45.878 I'm still trying to figure it out. 00:45:45.923 --> 00:45:49.790 - But well, he wants to talk to you. - I'm not talking to a killer. 00:45:49.826 --> 00:45:52.294 I know. 00:45:52.329 --> 00:45:54.923 Look, I think I can get around it if he just gets a letter from you. 00:45:54.965 --> 00:45:57.694 I'm not writing him a letter either. 00:45:57.733 --> 00:45:59.633 I'll write the letter. 00:45:59.668 --> 00:46:03.297 Okay? All you have to do is just copy it in your handwriting. 00:46:03.339 --> 00:46:05.239 Why do I have to get dragged into your shit? 00:46:05.274 --> 00:46:08.470 Come on, Alex man. My plan is working here, okay? 00:46:08.509 --> 00:46:10.977 I'm getting him to open up and give me a lot of really good information. 00:46:11.012 --> 00:46:13.207 I don't want to lose him now. 00:46:14.816 --> 00:46:18.581 Alex, please, man, just... just this one time, okay? 00:46:24.157 --> 00:46:26.556 Come on. 00:46:26.592 --> 00:46:28.753 Please? 00:46:28.794 --> 00:46:32.628 Alex, just this once, okay? 00:46:32.665 --> 00:46:35.155 Fine. 00:46:35.200 --> 00:46:37.498 Yeah? 00:46:37.535 --> 00:46:39.662 Thank you. 00:46:48.078 --> 00:46:51.605 Dear John, I am so fucking pissed off right now. 00:46:51.649 --> 00:46:54.981 My father beat my ass again last night. I fucking hate him. 00:46:55.018 --> 00:46:58.419 I'm so sick of feeling this way. I can't trust anyone. 00:46:58.454 --> 00:47:00.479 I'm not sure I even want to live anymore. 00:47:00.523 --> 00:47:03.117 What would you do if someone beat your ass? 00:47:03.159 --> 00:47:06.992 I've thought many times about killing myself, 00:47:07.029 --> 00:47:10.829 but the Bible preaches against taking your own life. 00:47:10.866 --> 00:47:15.302 Then again, sometimes it's the right thing to do. 00:47:15.336 --> 00:47:18.635 Jason, your life will hit rock bottom some day. 00:47:18.673 --> 00:47:22.336 And when the time is right, you'll know what to do and how to do it. 00:47:22.376 --> 00:47:24.639 But don't worry, Jason. 00:47:24.678 --> 00:47:29.047 I'm here for you. I'm your friend, 00:47:29.082 --> 00:47:31.516 your only friend right now. 00:47:31.551 --> 00:47:35.145 ♪ Fall on your knees ♪ 00:47:35.187 --> 00:47:38.953 ♪ O, hear the ♪ 00:47:38.991 --> 00:47:43.017 ♪ Angels' voices ♪ 00:47:43.061 --> 00:47:47.122 ♪ O night ♪ 00:47:47.165 --> 00:47:50.032 ♪ Divine... ♪ 00:48:36.242 --> 00:48:38.506 It's kind of tough around here. 00:48:38.544 --> 00:48:41.842 A guy can't even get off in peace. 00:48:41.880 --> 00:48:45.213 I got 24-hour whack-off patrol up my ass. 00:48:47.152 --> 00:48:49.779 So listen, John... 00:48:52.923 --> 00:48:55.653 can I ask you something? 00:48:57.028 --> 00:48:59.723 Do you feel any remorse for killing all those boys? 00:48:59.763 --> 00:49:02.425 Jason, I never killed anyone. 00:49:03.500 --> 00:49:06.867 Look, I took three and a half hours of truth serum 00:49:06.903 --> 00:49:11.703 and they found that I had no knowledge whatsoever of the crimes. 00:49:11.740 --> 00:49:15.301 Yeah yeah, but would you feel bad if you did? 00:49:15.344 --> 00:49:17.539 Why would I feel bad? 00:49:17.579 --> 00:49:20.672 Those hustling bitches got what they deserved. 00:49:20.715 --> 00:49:24.981 Nobody asked them to go out there on the streets selling their asses. 00:49:25.019 --> 00:49:28.681 They were just begging to be killed and that's exactly what they got. 00:49:28.722 --> 00:49:32.317 No, but they weren't all prostitutes, John. 00:49:32.359 --> 00:49:34.691 There were other kids too. 00:49:34.728 --> 00:49:37.890 What kids? I don't know what you're talking about. 00:49:39.131 --> 00:49:42.066 How did you lure them into your house? 00:49:42.101 --> 00:49:44.365 What was your method? 00:49:44.403 --> 00:49:47.599 You can get anyone to do anything you want 00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:50.665 if you play on their fear. 00:49:50.708 --> 00:49:53.609 And the feeling of energy you get from someone's fear 00:49:53.645 --> 00:49:56.807 is unlike anything you could ever imagine. 00:49:56.847 --> 00:49:59.645 Tell me about that. 00:50:01.785 --> 00:50:06.312 I don't want to talk about all this negative bullshit. 00:50:06.355 --> 00:50:10.792 What I want to talk about is that skimpy letter your brother Alex sent me. 00:50:10.827 --> 00:50:13.125 I thought you told him that I wanted more details. 00:50:13.162 --> 00:50:16.255 I did, I did, John. But he... you know, he's stubborn. 00:50:16.298 --> 00:50:18.459 I can't control him. He does whatever he wants. 00:50:18.500 --> 00:50:20.058 Oh really? 00:50:20.102 --> 00:50:22.696 Well, you said to me, and I quote: 00:50:22.737 --> 00:50:25.637 "My brother looks up to me like I'm a hero. 00:50:25.673 --> 00:50:29.700 When I tell him to jump, he says, 'How high?"' 00:50:33.781 --> 00:50:36.340 Well, he hasn't been in the best of moods lately, John. 00:50:36.382 --> 00:50:39.044 He keeps getting his ass kicked every day, so just cut the kid some slack. 00:50:39.085 --> 00:50:41.576 What the fuck is he getting his ass kicked for? 00:50:41.621 --> 00:50:43.088 What is he, some kind of a pussy? 00:50:43.123 --> 00:50:45.386 No, he... no, he's not a pussy. 00:50:45.424 --> 00:50:49.724 He just... the other kids are a lot bigger than him. 00:50:49.761 --> 00:50:53.720 Oh, fuck that. You need to jump in there, Jason. 00:50:53.765 --> 00:50:55.595 You need to be a fucking man. 00:50:55.633 --> 00:50:59.831 You get a 2x4 and you crack this cocksucker's head open if you have to. 00:50:59.871 --> 00:51:03.739 You don't want people saying that the Moss brothers are a bunch of pussies, do you? 00:51:03.774 --> 00:51:06.674 No no, of course not. 00:51:08.145 --> 00:51:10.909 Oh, Jason, 00:51:10.947 --> 00:51:12.744 you and I are a lot alike. 00:51:14.650 --> 00:51:19.610 But your brother Alex... now he's not as strong as us, you know. 00:51:19.655 --> 00:51:23.147 So he needs to be led by example. 00:51:23.192 --> 00:51:26.558 And the same thing applies to the bedroom. 00:51:28.696 --> 00:51:30.823 You know? 00:51:30.865 --> 00:51:34.527 I've been giving this a lot of thought lately: 00:51:34.568 --> 00:51:37.128 You know, you two, 00:51:37.171 --> 00:51:41.801 you can get each other off just as well as anybody else can. 00:51:43.976 --> 00:51:46.376 You know, your brother, he's in a bad mood 00:51:46.412 --> 00:51:48.880 'cause he obviously isn't getting any. 00:51:50.349 --> 00:51:53.613 Don't you see what a waste that is? 00:51:57.822 --> 00:52:00.518 Nobody would ever have to know. 00:52:01.560 --> 00:52:03.720 All you gotta do 00:52:03.761 --> 00:52:08.721 is slip into his bed one night and start rasslin' with him till you get him hard. 00:52:10.768 --> 00:52:15.295 And then you let your head drift down into his crotch, 00:52:15.338 --> 00:52:17.898 and then you put it in your mouth. 00:52:18.975 --> 00:52:21.602 And then he'll resist 00:52:21.643 --> 00:52:24.305 and he'll fight at first. 00:52:24.346 --> 00:52:27.782 But after awhile, he'll get into it 00:52:27.816 --> 00:52:30.216 and he'll let you finish the job. 00:52:30.252 --> 00:52:33.778 You know what, John? My mom's coming. I gotta go. 00:53:06.184 --> 00:53:07.981 Fuck. 00:53:13.457 --> 00:53:16.620 This is Jason. Leave a message. 00:53:16.660 --> 00:53:18.787 I'm sorry, sir, there's no one available at this number. 00:53:18.828 --> 00:53:20.887 Please try your call again later. 00:54:14.278 --> 00:54:16.007 All right, that's it, people. 00:54:16.047 --> 00:54:18.879 Don't forget the due date of your term paper is coming up 00:54:18.915 --> 00:54:22.874 and I am expecting nothing short of brilliance. 00:54:22.919 --> 00:54:25.217 Goodbye. 00:54:25.255 --> 00:54:27.552 Jason? 00:54:27.589 --> 00:54:29.454 Can I see you for a minute? 00:54:45.173 --> 00:54:47.367 So what's up? 00:54:47.407 --> 00:54:52.276 You're missing class. And when you are in class, you don't ask any questions, 00:54:52.312 --> 00:54:54.177 not that I miss that. 00:54:55.881 --> 00:54:59.248 I think maybe you got involved with something that... 00:54:59.285 --> 00:55:04.052 You're not my father, okay? I get enough of this shit from my parents. 00:55:04.090 --> 00:55:06.922 You're gonna get your precious term paper, but in the meantime, 00:55:06.958 --> 00:55:09.825 just get off my back about it. 00:55:36.985 --> 00:55:38.748 What? 00:55:38.787 --> 00:55:40.812 You have a collect call from inmate John Gacy 00:55:40.856 --> 00:55:44.518 from the Menard Correctional Center. Will you accept the charges? 00:55:44.558 --> 00:55:47.493 - Yeah, I accept. - Thank you. 00:55:47.528 --> 00:55:50.122 Jason, where the hell have you been? I've been calling you for days. 00:55:50.164 --> 00:55:53.098 Well, I've been busy, John. Okay? I have a life, you know? 00:55:53.133 --> 00:55:54.862 What did you do? You find someone else? 00:55:54.901 --> 00:55:57.369 - What are you talking about? - What are you, writing to another inmate? 00:55:57.404 --> 00:55:58.894 What, I'm not good enough for you anymore? 00:55:58.938 --> 00:56:00.769 John, John, it's not like that, okay? 00:56:00.807 --> 00:56:04.071 You think you can just ignore me? That's not how it works. 00:56:04.109 --> 00:56:07.101 You don't play both ends against the middle with me, you little shit. 00:56:07.146 --> 00:56:09.580 - I won't tolerate it! - Hey hey hey, John, 00:56:09.615 --> 00:56:11.048 just calm down. 00:56:11.083 --> 00:56:14.449 Do you have any idea who I am and what I'm capable of? 00:56:14.485 --> 00:56:17.511 Because I know who you are and where you live. 00:56:17.555 --> 00:56:20.422 For all you know, I could have somebody sitting outside right now 00:56:20.458 --> 00:56:22.618 watching you and your family. 00:56:24.694 --> 00:56:26.059 What are you talking about? 00:56:26.096 --> 00:56:28.155 You know exactly what I'm talking about. 00:56:28.198 --> 00:56:30.496 Don't play me, Jason. 00:56:30.534 --> 00:56:32.626 Remember who I am. 00:56:32.668 --> 00:56:35.159 How could I forget? 00:56:35.204 --> 00:56:37.331 And don't go taking your friendship away from me 00:56:37.373 --> 00:56:40.171 and I won't have to take something away from you, you got it? 00:56:40.209 --> 00:56:42.972 Yeah, I got it. 00:56:43.011 --> 00:56:45.241 Remember who I am. 00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:49.341 Always remember who I am. 00:56:51.151 --> 00:56:52.516 Fuck. 00:56:54.421 --> 00:56:56.480 Fuck! 00:57:13.972 --> 00:57:16.304 Fuck. 00:57:22.046 --> 00:57:25.504 Oh, you think you scare me, huh? You think you scare me? 00:57:25.549 --> 00:57:28.177 Huh? Well, I got you, you fuck. 00:57:33.756 --> 00:57:37.351 FBI! On the fucking ground. 00:57:37.393 --> 00:57:41.294 Put your fucking hands up! On the ground! 00:57:41.330 --> 00:57:43.628 Who are you talking to? 00:57:43.665 --> 00:57:45.030 No one. 00:57:45.067 --> 00:57:48.093 Why isn't the car washed? I asked you to wash the car before we left for Grandma's. 00:57:48.136 --> 00:57:51.002 - I am not going to Grandma's. - What do you mean, you're not going? 00:57:51.038 --> 00:57:54.496 It means I'm not going! 00:57:55.543 --> 00:57:59.308 Look, I just have a lot of important things on my plate right now. 00:57:59.346 --> 00:58:02.110 I can't be worried about going to Grandma's house. 00:58:02.148 --> 00:58:03.809 - Oh really? - Yeah. 00:58:03.850 --> 00:58:05.943 Well, then maybe your father and I should stop worrying 00:58:05.986 --> 00:58:08.920 about paying the bills around here and you can start fending for yourself. 00:58:08.954 --> 00:58:11.479 Yeah, maybe you should. 00:58:21.232 --> 00:58:23.097 Fuck. 00:58:33.277 --> 00:58:35.268 Hey, where are you going in such a hurry, faggot? 00:58:35.312 --> 00:58:37.006 - None of your business. - Huh? 00:58:44.687 --> 00:58:47.154 - Fuck off, Marcus. - Come on, man. 00:58:50.292 --> 00:58:52.055 Get the fuck out of my face. 00:58:54.462 --> 00:58:56.793 Oh, you're fucking dead. 00:58:58.499 --> 00:59:01.730 - Hey hey! - Jason, what the heck? 00:59:01.769 --> 00:59:04.329 Jason, that's enough! 00:59:04.371 --> 00:59:05.894 Stop! 00:59:05.939 --> 00:59:07.497 Stop it, let's go! 00:59:07.540 --> 00:59:10.771 - Hey! Hey, you two! - Come on. 00:59:10.810 --> 00:59:12.243 Ah! 00:59:39.369 --> 00:59:42.634 Hey, Jason. 00:59:42.672 --> 00:59:44.366 Jason? 00:59:46.342 --> 00:59:48.776 - What's with him? - What else is new? 00:59:48.811 --> 00:59:50.278 Where have you guys been? 00:59:50.312 --> 00:59:52.109 You know I wanted to leave before it gets too dark. 00:59:52.147 --> 00:59:54.205 We got held up. Why does he get to stay? 00:59:54.248 --> 00:59:57.115 Because your brother's going through some teenage life crisis. 00:59:57.151 --> 00:59:59.415 Go get your bag. Let's go. 00:59:59.454 --> 01:00:01.684 Sure, let's just worry about psycho Jason. 01:00:01.723 --> 01:00:04.282 Go get your bag. 01:00:04.324 --> 01:00:05.916 Go! 01:00:25.010 --> 01:00:26.443 Hello? 01:00:28.113 --> 01:00:30.081 Hello? 01:00:31.216 --> 01:00:32.739 Hello? 01:01:51.987 --> 01:01:53.352 Jesus! 01:01:55.958 --> 01:01:58.620 What are you doing here? 01:02:01.796 --> 01:02:04.264 What are you doing with a gun? 01:02:07.135 --> 01:02:09.602 Well, there's been a bunch of break-ins, 01:02:09.636 --> 01:02:13.367 so we... we got it to protect ourselves. 01:02:14.808 --> 01:02:16.673 Oh. 01:02:19.412 --> 01:02:21.972 Hey, do you want to come in for a second? 01:02:24.283 --> 01:02:27.843 I mean, as long as you're here, you know? 01:02:30.055 --> 01:02:33.354 Okay, just for a second. 01:03:02.684 --> 01:03:03.810 Hello? 01:03:03.852 --> 01:03:05.547 I have a collect call from inmate John Gacy. 01:03:05.587 --> 01:03:06.780 Yes, I accept. 01:03:06.821 --> 01:03:08.880 - Are you fucking kidding me? - Go ahead, sir. 01:03:08.923 --> 01:03:13.383 Jason, they denied my appeal. 01:03:13.427 --> 01:03:16.224 They're gonna kill me in six fucking days. 01:03:16.263 --> 01:03:18.823 My fucking piece-of-shit lawyer said it would never happen. 01:03:18.865 --> 01:03:20.332 John, John, slow down. I can't understand you. 01:03:20.367 --> 01:03:23.336 - No, wait, Alyssa, don't leave. - Forget it, you made your choice. 01:03:23.370 --> 01:03:25.837 Jason, are you listening to me? They're gonna kill me in six days! 01:03:25.871 --> 01:03:28.635 Okay, John, slow down. Alyssa! 01:03:28.674 --> 01:03:31.973 - Who the fuck is Alyssa? - Jason, forget it! I'm done, okay? 01:03:32.011 --> 01:03:33.569 I thought you said you didn't have a girlfriend. 01:03:33.612 --> 01:03:36.239 - It doesn't matter, John. - I thought you were my friend. 01:03:36.281 --> 01:03:38.010 I thought I could trust you. 01:03:38.049 --> 01:03:40.040 Wait wait, what are you saying, John? 01:03:40.084 --> 01:03:43.815 You pussy-whipped little cocksucking piece of shit! 01:03:43.855 --> 01:03:45.583 John? 01:03:47.291 --> 01:03:49.225 Fuck! 01:03:50.561 --> 01:03:52.324 Fuck! 01:05:02.558 --> 01:05:05.891 The room is nice. I like it. 01:05:15.336 --> 01:05:17.497 I always close the curtains too. 01:05:32.385 --> 01:05:34.876 So? 01:05:51.602 --> 01:05:53.627 On the bed. 01:05:55.039 --> 01:05:57.599 How original. 01:06:14.356 --> 01:06:17.792 Take off your stockings. 01:06:45.117 --> 01:06:47.584 How do you want it? 01:06:47.618 --> 01:06:50.587 Lie down on the bed... 01:06:54.459 --> 01:06:56.586 on your stomach. 01:07:01.298 --> 01:07:03.698 On your stomach. 01:07:23.918 --> 01:07:27.114 - What are you doing? - Just stop talking. 01:07:27.154 --> 01:07:29.714 I'm not comfortable with this. 01:07:29.757 --> 01:07:32.817 - Just stay still. - Motherfucker, let me go! 01:07:32.860 --> 01:07:34.589 - Shut up, shut up. - Stop it! 01:07:34.628 --> 01:07:36.686 Someone... no! No! 01:07:36.729 --> 01:07:38.788 - What are you fucking doing, huh? - Stop! 01:07:38.831 --> 01:07:40.731 What are you doing? Just shut up. 01:07:40.767 --> 01:07:43.793 Shut up. Shut up. 01:07:43.836 --> 01:07:46.599 Shut the fuck up! 01:07:46.638 --> 01:07:49.436 Shut up. 01:08:27.141 --> 01:08:30.542 Jason, there's a lot I want to get off my chest before I die, 01:08:30.578 --> 01:08:33.808 and you're the only one I can trust. 01:08:33.847 --> 01:08:35.474 Yeah? Like what, John? 01:08:35.515 --> 01:08:37.813 I can't tell you over the phone. 01:08:37.851 --> 01:08:40.251 I need to see you in person. 01:08:40.287 --> 01:08:43.278 I'll even let you see my top-secret files. 01:08:44.490 --> 01:08:47.220 And don't worry, I'll pay for the whole trip. 01:08:47.259 --> 01:08:48.817 It'll be fun. 01:08:49.995 --> 01:08:54.829 It's perfectly safe too. I mean, there's cameras and guards. 01:08:54.866 --> 01:08:57.801 I can even have the warden call you if you want. 01:08:57.836 --> 01:09:01.294 - The warden? - Yeah, he can tell you how safe it is. 01:09:01.339 --> 01:09:05.331 I already spoke to him. He said that he would be pleased to talk to you. 01:09:05.375 --> 01:09:08.606 Would you like me to have him give you a call? 01:09:08.645 --> 01:09:10.806 Sure. 01:09:10.848 --> 01:09:12.838 Great. 01:09:12.882 --> 01:09:16.579 I look so forward to meeting you, Jason. 01:09:18.921 --> 01:09:21.821 Hello? 01:09:21.857 --> 01:09:25.088 Open up, please! I need to talk to you. 01:09:30.665 --> 01:09:34.566 Look, Gacy is gonna be executed, Glen. I need to talk to you. 01:09:38.639 --> 01:09:41.232 He wants me to come visit him. 01:09:45.612 --> 01:09:47.341 Aw, fuck. 01:09:56.522 --> 01:09:59.082 I'm sorry to keep bothering you. 01:09:59.124 --> 01:10:03.082 I know how hard this must be. 01:10:04.095 --> 01:10:07.826 I need to figure out who I'm really dealing with here. 01:10:09.966 --> 01:10:12.958 And nobody knows that better than you do. 01:10:17.274 --> 01:10:19.434 So you're gonna go see him? 01:10:22.144 --> 01:10:24.476 I don't know. 01:10:26.415 --> 01:10:28.939 That's why I came here. 01:10:33.555 --> 01:10:36.388 You can't go there. 01:10:37.659 --> 01:10:39.717 Why? 01:10:40.961 --> 01:10:43.555 Tell me what happened. 01:10:51.871 --> 01:10:53.736 You want another Scotch? 01:10:53.773 --> 01:10:56.503 - Yeah. - Bottoms up. 01:11:00.378 --> 01:11:01.777 Boo. 01:11:03.114 --> 01:11:04.445 What are you doing? 01:11:04.482 --> 01:11:09.145 Just clowning around, buddy. I'm just clowning around. Oh. 01:11:09.186 --> 01:11:12.678 You would be surprised all the tricks you can do when you're a clown. 01:11:12.723 --> 01:11:14.816 You want to see a magic trick? 01:11:14.858 --> 01:11:17.257 Here you go. Huh? Go ahead. 01:11:17.293 --> 01:11:20.228 Put 'em on. Make sure they're nice and tight. 01:11:20.263 --> 01:11:22.288 - Yeah. - Ready? 01:11:24.067 --> 01:11:26.899 Huh? It's your turn now. 01:11:26.935 --> 01:11:28.960 Go on, put 'em on. 01:11:30.572 --> 01:11:33.040 - Go on. - What's the trick with these things? 01:11:34.076 --> 01:11:36.635 The trick is to have the key. 01:11:41.849 --> 01:11:44.545 I've got something real special for you now. 01:11:49.623 --> 01:11:53.650 I told you to shut your mouth, you pathetic little cocksucker! 01:11:55.095 --> 01:11:56.789 No. No. 01:11:56.829 --> 01:11:59.764 Hey hey, relax. 01:11:59.798 --> 01:12:01.823 You're really gonna enjoy this. 01:12:01.867 --> 01:12:06.166 No! Let me out of here. 01:12:06.204 --> 01:12:07.796 Let me out! 01:12:10.808 --> 01:12:13.470 I got this specially picked out for you. 01:12:13.511 --> 01:12:15.944 Ah ah ah! 01:12:18.915 --> 01:12:22.851 - Come on, step that fat ass up. - Ah! Please. 01:12:29.692 --> 01:12:32.160 Please let me go. 01:12:33.429 --> 01:12:35.123 Please. 01:12:43.438 --> 01:12:45.871 I jumped from the car. 01:12:48.175 --> 01:12:50.666 And I broke seven bones in my body 01:12:50.711 --> 01:12:52.838 and I didn't feel a thing. 01:12:59.919 --> 01:13:03.979 I hope that this helps you make the right decision. 01:13:13.130 --> 01:13:16.930 Hello, Mr. Moss, this is Warden Michaels from the Menard Correctional Center. 01:13:16.967 --> 01:13:18.628 I understand you have some questions for me. 01:13:18.669 --> 01:13:23.105 Yeah yeah, I was thinking about visiting John Gacy 01:13:23.139 --> 01:13:25.164 and I just wanted to find out how safe it would be. 01:13:25.208 --> 01:13:28.939 Well, Mr. Moss, there are a lot of safety precautions here at Menard. 01:13:28.978 --> 01:13:32.936 Well, is he going to be in the same room as me? 01:13:32.981 --> 01:13:37.042 No, you would be in two different rooms with a glass partition between you. 01:13:37.086 --> 01:13:39.577 Mr. Gacy will have his arms and legs shackled 01:13:39.621 --> 01:13:43.750 and there's a... there's a camera in the room where the visitor is seated 01:13:43.791 --> 01:13:45.918 that is monitored at all times. 01:13:45.960 --> 01:13:47.587 And what about the guards? 01:13:47.628 --> 01:13:50.620 Well, there'll be a number of guards and you'll be under constant surveillance. 01:13:50.665 --> 01:13:52.825 If there are any problems, a guard will be right there. 01:13:52.866 --> 01:13:55.562 There hasn't been an incident here at Menard in many years. 01:13:55.602 --> 01:13:58.366 Security is just too tight. You trust me... 01:13:58.405 --> 01:14:00.964 you'll be completely safe. 01:14:08.714 --> 01:14:10.237 - Jacket too? - Mm-hmm. 01:14:10.281 --> 01:14:11.942 Okay. 01:14:19.491 --> 01:14:22.015 Step through, please. 01:14:24.428 --> 01:14:27.556 Arms up and out to the side. 01:14:33.302 --> 01:14:36.669 Follow me. 01:14:41.176 --> 01:14:43.440 He's all yours. 01:14:45.714 --> 01:14:48.706 Sign here, here and here. 01:14:49.750 --> 01:14:52.014 - What is this? - A release form. 01:14:52.052 --> 01:14:53.610 For what? 01:14:53.654 --> 01:14:56.452 It says we're not responsible. 01:14:56.490 --> 01:14:57.821 Excuse me? 01:14:57.858 --> 01:15:00.792 In the unlikely event hostages are taken inside the prison, 01:15:00.827 --> 01:15:02.954 we won't negotiate for your release. 01:15:02.996 --> 01:15:05.829 So what you're saying is that if someone were to take me hostage, 01:15:05.865 --> 01:15:09.766 you'd let them kill me before you did anything to save me? 01:15:09.802 --> 01:15:12.771 Exactly. Sign there, please. 01:15:16.375 --> 01:15:19.866 - Have a nice day. - Mr. Moss? 01:15:19.911 --> 01:15:22.607 Officer Thompson. 01:15:22.647 --> 01:15:24.547 Nice to meet you. 01:15:25.850 --> 01:15:28.340 Mr. Gacy is very excited to see you today. 01:15:28.385 --> 01:15:30.216 That's good. 01:15:30.253 --> 01:15:32.483 Right this way. 01:16:11.457 --> 01:16:12.856 Go ahead. 01:16:12.892 --> 01:16:16.486 Jason, oh my God. It's so nice to meet you. 01:16:16.528 --> 01:16:18.052 Nice to meet you too. 01:16:18.096 --> 01:16:20.291 Look at you... you look great. 01:16:20.332 --> 01:16:24.029 Hey, Stan, would you mind taking a picture of Jason and I? 01:16:24.069 --> 01:16:27.299 - Yeah. Sure, John. - A little something for posterity. 01:16:30.374 --> 01:16:33.104 Something to remember me by. 01:16:33.143 --> 01:16:35.770 Excuse me, guard? 01:16:35.812 --> 01:16:38.906 - Where are you going? - Have fun, boys. 01:16:38.948 --> 01:16:41.416 Whoa whoa, hey hey hey! 01:16:41.451 --> 01:16:43.112 What are you doing? 01:16:43.152 --> 01:16:45.551 Where are you gonna be if I need you? 01:16:45.587 --> 01:16:49.785 Jason, come on, relax. Everything's okay. 01:16:49.825 --> 01:16:53.693 Please make yourself at home. Sit down. 01:16:53.729 --> 01:16:57.425 I mean, seriously, sit. It's all right. 01:17:04.905 --> 01:17:08.033 Hey, can I have the guys bring you a pop 01:17:08.074 --> 01:17:10.565 or a chocolate milk or something like that? 01:17:10.610 --> 01:17:12.202 - No. No, I'm good. - You sure? 01:17:12.245 --> 01:17:14.075 Yeah. 01:17:14.113 --> 01:17:16.411 God. 01:17:16.448 --> 01:17:21.078 This is perfect. I can't believe you're here. 01:17:21.120 --> 01:17:24.384 I mean, look at you. Thank you for coming. 01:17:24.422 --> 01:17:26.890 You know? Seriously, bud. 01:17:26.925 --> 01:17:29.723 Yeah, no problem, John. 01:17:29.761 --> 01:17:31.888 You know, I just wanted to be here for you. 01:17:31.930 --> 01:17:35.831 I appreciate that, you know? So tell me about yourself. 01:17:35.866 --> 01:17:38.892 Hey, you're not out there hustling anymore, are you? 01:17:38.936 --> 01:17:41.700 - No no no, not too much anymore. - Mmm. 01:17:41.738 --> 01:17:44.763 So how's the girlfriend? Alyssa, right? 01:17:46.175 --> 01:17:50.509 Yeah yeah, she's good. She's still there. 01:17:50.546 --> 01:17:54.003 Yeah? Giving her the old hard one? 01:17:55.951 --> 01:17:57.919 What's all this stuff? 01:17:57.953 --> 01:18:00.012 Oh, this is everything I promised you. 01:18:00.055 --> 01:18:02.784 Here, check this out. 01:18:02.823 --> 01:18:06.782 Got everything... newspaper clippings, 01:18:06.827 --> 01:18:10.990 notes from my trial; I got letters from "Inside Edition," 01:18:11.030 --> 01:18:14.431 channel 7, all wanting interviews with me. 01:18:15.501 --> 01:18:18.595 Look at all these letters. I get thousands of them, you know? 01:18:18.638 --> 01:18:21.572 I get 'em from all kinds of people... movie stars, 01:18:21.607 --> 01:18:25.441 rock stars, porn stars, politicians, women. 01:18:25.477 --> 01:18:29.436 You know? Here, check this one out. 01:18:29.481 --> 01:18:31.971 See this trailer-park bitch? 01:18:32.016 --> 01:18:35.247 She's got two sons incarcerated right now. 01:18:35.286 --> 01:18:37.686 She says she wants to have my baby. 01:18:37.722 --> 01:18:39.314 Can you imagine? 01:18:39.357 --> 01:18:42.484 Why would I ever want to get mixed up with trash like this? 01:18:45.428 --> 01:18:48.124 Wait, it gets better. Here. 01:18:48.164 --> 01:18:50.063 This is her sister. 01:18:50.099 --> 01:18:53.398 They've offered to give me the classic ménage à trois. 01:18:53.435 --> 01:18:57.599 Can you imagine? Between the three of us, all this blubber moving around? 01:19:00.375 --> 01:19:02.309 You look good. 01:19:05.079 --> 01:19:07.240 Really. 01:19:17.391 --> 01:19:19.221 This food's not so bad. 01:19:19.258 --> 01:19:22.318 The fellas treat me pretty good around here. Isn't that right, Stan? 01:19:22.361 --> 01:19:24.192 You got it, boss. 01:19:28.900 --> 01:19:31.095 Jason? 01:19:31.136 --> 01:19:34.731 I ordered this dessert especially for you. It's my favorite... 01:19:34.773 --> 01:19:37.003 strawberry shortcake. 01:19:37.042 --> 01:19:39.339 I'm full, John. Thanks though. 01:19:42.479 --> 01:19:44.913 So John, you know how at your trial, 01:19:44.948 --> 01:19:47.415 you said that you didn't kill all those boys under your house 01:19:47.450 --> 01:19:50.283 and someone else must have done it? 01:19:50.319 --> 01:19:52.719 I want to try to find that one statement. 01:19:55.892 --> 01:20:00.726 I mean, who do you think did it, John, if it wasn't you? 01:20:02.631 --> 01:20:07.431 Do you have any idea how weak you are? 01:20:09.203 --> 01:20:12.695 I could just tell you to fuck off right now... 01:20:14.341 --> 01:20:17.002 and you'd have no one. 01:20:20.013 --> 01:20:23.039 What would you do without me? 01:20:23.083 --> 01:20:25.608 I don't know, John. 01:20:27.019 --> 01:20:30.511 Where would you be without me? 01:20:30.556 --> 01:20:33.457 You know, if I was a bad guy, 01:20:33.492 --> 01:20:36.927 I'd tell the police what you do with your brother, 01:20:36.961 --> 01:20:40.192 they would take him away and you would go to jail. 01:20:40.231 --> 01:20:43.325 Yeah, but you wouldn't do that to me, right? Hmm? 01:20:45.569 --> 01:20:48.595 I didn't say I would do it. 01:20:49.639 --> 01:20:53.837 Just remember who I am. 01:20:55.277 --> 01:20:58.178 I know who you are. 01:20:58.214 --> 01:21:01.775 John, we're buddies, right? 01:21:01.817 --> 01:21:04.047 That's right. 01:21:06.154 --> 01:21:08.054 That's right. 01:21:09.991 --> 01:21:12.289 So... 01:21:12.327 --> 01:21:16.126 tell me, did you have a smooth flight? 01:21:16.163 --> 01:21:19.564 Yeah yeah, it was fine. There was no problems. 01:21:19.600 --> 01:21:23.763 And did you get that painting that I sent you and the travel money? 01:21:23.803 --> 01:21:27.034 I did. I did. Thank you for that, John. I really appreciate it. 01:21:27.073 --> 01:21:29.507 Of course. I've got your back, pal. 01:21:32.378 --> 01:21:34.607 Yeah. 01:21:37.349 --> 01:21:39.909 So, John, 01:21:39.951 --> 01:21:42.680 you said you had some things to tell me when I got here. 01:21:42.720 --> 01:21:45.985 You know, some things you wanted to get off your chest. 01:21:46.023 --> 01:21:48.321 Yeah. 01:21:48.359 --> 01:21:51.988 Do for me and I'll do for you. 01:21:55.298 --> 01:21:57.630 John, tell me about that kid you admitted to killing. 01:21:57.667 --> 01:22:02.399 Okay? The one that you picked up at the bus stop and had sex with. 01:22:03.405 --> 01:22:04.872 Oh. 01:22:04.907 --> 01:22:09.037 I woke up and he was standing over me with a knife. 01:22:09.077 --> 01:22:11.670 He was gonna rob and kill me. 01:22:11.712 --> 01:22:14.579 I didn't have any choice. 01:22:14.615 --> 01:22:19.177 Yeah, well, if it was self-defense, John, why didn't you just call the police? 01:22:19.220 --> 01:22:22.154 Well, the son of a bitch, he shouldn't have attacked me. 01:22:22.189 --> 01:22:24.851 But he wasn't attacking you. 01:22:24.891 --> 01:22:29.055 Right? I mean, wasn't he just making your breakfast? 01:22:29.095 --> 01:22:32.825 What the fuck are you talking about? 01:22:32.865 --> 01:22:37.393 You don't stand over a man with a knife when he's sleeping. 01:22:42.440 --> 01:22:45.238 So what happened after you stabbed him? 01:22:48.413 --> 01:22:51.848 Nothing happened. 01:22:51.882 --> 01:22:55.113 Let me tell you something, Jason: 01:22:55.152 --> 01:23:00.088 You can always tell when a man is dead 01:23:00.122 --> 01:23:03.250 because he shits all over himself. 01:23:04.427 --> 01:23:07.760 The little cocksucker stunk up the place 01:23:07.797 --> 01:23:10.856 so I buried him in the crawl space. 01:23:12.367 --> 01:23:16.201 How did it feel to kill that kid? 01:23:18.206 --> 01:23:20.139 Did you feel powerful? 01:23:24.278 --> 01:23:27.645 Jason, Jason, 01:23:27.681 --> 01:23:32.242 you have no idea the power you feel. 01:23:33.920 --> 01:23:37.617 - How'd I feel? - Yeah. 01:23:37.657 --> 01:23:40.181 I felt fine. 01:23:40.225 --> 01:23:42.989 I slept fine. 01:23:45.998 --> 01:23:49.125 I am fine, aren't I? 01:23:53.104 --> 01:23:55.163 Thattaboy. 01:24:00.443 --> 01:24:04.243 Let me tell you something. Do you have any idea 01:24:04.281 --> 01:24:07.807 how long it would take the guards to get here if you screamed? 01:24:07.850 --> 01:24:10.614 Maybe one or two minutes. 01:24:10.653 --> 01:24:13.645 I could kill you right now if I wanted to. 01:24:13.689 --> 01:24:17.454 You know that, don't you? Huh? You know that? 01:24:18.860 --> 01:24:21.226 Yeah, John. 01:24:21.262 --> 01:24:24.322 But I got other plans in mind for you. 01:24:26.234 --> 01:24:29.225 You see that table there? Look. 01:24:30.304 --> 01:24:33.205 That's where I'm gonna do you. 01:24:33.240 --> 01:24:37.437 And after I'm done, I'm gonna wrap my hands around this throat 01:24:37.476 --> 01:24:39.535 and I'm gonna squeeze until it breaks. 01:24:39.578 --> 01:24:42.741 John, John, John, why are you talking to me like this, huh? 01:24:42.782 --> 01:24:46.649 "John, John, why are you talking to me like this, huh?" 01:24:46.685 --> 01:24:49.176 You know something, Jason? 01:24:49.220 --> 01:24:52.519 In person you are really a disappointment. 01:24:52.557 --> 01:24:55.320 Oh, you know what you are? 01:24:55.359 --> 01:24:58.522 You're a little pussy boy, huh? 01:24:58.562 --> 01:25:00.962 A little pussy boy. 01:25:00.998 --> 01:25:02.829 A little pussy boy. 01:25:16.011 --> 01:25:18.070 Here you go. 01:25:18.113 --> 01:25:22.880 - It's black. Where's the cream? - Well, I forgot. 01:25:22.918 --> 01:25:26.648 Check out monitor 3. It's kissy time. 01:25:26.687 --> 01:25:29.554 That's fucking sick. 01:25:29.590 --> 01:25:34.151 Leave the guy alone. He's gonna die in a few days. 01:25:34.194 --> 01:25:37.755 Least we can do is let the poor fuck get his rocks off one more time. 01:25:37.797 --> 01:25:41.460 - Doesn't mean I have to watch. - Then don't watch. 01:25:44.837 --> 01:25:48.398 You bitch. You like getting fucked, don't you? 01:25:48.440 --> 01:25:51.705 Like when you're hustling and selling your sweet little ass on the street? 01:25:51.744 --> 01:25:53.472 Well, now you're gonna get what you've been asking for. 01:25:53.511 --> 01:25:55.069 What the fuck are you doing, John? 01:25:55.113 --> 01:25:58.173 Shut the fuck up! 01:25:58.216 --> 01:26:00.446 God! All right, that's enough. 01:26:00.485 --> 01:26:02.543 This is over! 01:26:02.586 --> 01:26:04.816 Who the fuck are you to tell me it's over? 01:26:04.855 --> 01:26:07.016 I'm not who you think I am, John, all right? 01:26:07.057 --> 01:26:08.888 Guards, open this fucking door! 01:26:08.925 --> 01:26:12.257 You know how many little pussy boys like you died for this cock? 01:26:12.294 --> 01:26:13.659 Huh? 01:26:13.696 --> 01:26:16.893 Get on your fucking knees. 01:26:16.932 --> 01:26:18.399 Fuck you. 01:26:18.434 --> 01:26:23.063 Now open your mouth. Open your fucking mouth. 01:26:23.104 --> 01:26:27.234 - I said open your fucking mouth! - God. 01:26:27.275 --> 01:26:29.607 You fucking piece of shit. 01:26:29.644 --> 01:26:32.669 It hurts to let the demon in, doesn't it? 01:26:32.713 --> 01:26:35.045 - But you feel good. - You mother... I'll fucking kill you. 01:26:35.082 --> 01:26:37.573 - Get off him, boy. - I'll fucking kill you. 01:26:37.618 --> 01:26:39.984 - Let him go. - You fucking little cunt. 01:26:40.020 --> 01:26:42.249 Who's the clown now, John? You fucking piece of shit. 01:26:42.288 --> 01:26:44.848 - You'll be there with me! - Fuck you. 01:26:44.891 --> 01:26:49.260 I told you we're alike. We're exactly alike! 01:27:18.188 --> 01:27:20.121 Jason? 01:27:33.568 --> 01:27:35.536 It's okay. 01:27:40.373 --> 01:27:42.432 Oh, Jason. 01:28:21.611 --> 01:28:23.772 This is Jason. Leave a message. 01:28:25.515 --> 01:28:27.982 Jason, it's me. 01:28:28.016 --> 01:28:30.382 Pick up. 01:28:30.418 --> 01:28:35.151 What's wrong? I don't understand. 01:28:35.190 --> 01:28:39.592 They're gonna kill me in a couple of days. Why are you abandoning me? 01:28:39.627 --> 01:28:41.686 What is it? 01:28:41.729 --> 01:28:44.061 What did I do? 01:28:44.098 --> 01:28:46.998 Was it the little fight we had? 01:28:47.033 --> 01:28:49.661 If it is, l... I'm sorry. 01:28:49.702 --> 01:28:52.796 I'm... I'm really sorry. 01:28:56.141 --> 01:28:57.631 John? 01:28:59.178 --> 01:29:02.739 You little cocksucking jackoff. 01:29:02.781 --> 01:29:06.841 Do you have any idea who you are fucking with? 01:29:06.884 --> 01:29:10.945 I should have choked the life out of you when I had your throat in my hands. 01:29:10.988 --> 01:29:15.287 You know what I'm gonna do, Jason? I'm gonna send your letters to the cops 01:29:15.325 --> 01:29:17.555 and the FBI. 01:29:17.594 --> 01:29:20.222 I'm even gonna send a copy to your parents; 01:29:20.263 --> 01:29:24.892 let the whole world know what a sick perverted cocksucker you are. 01:29:24.934 --> 01:29:27.562 You want to send those letters to my family, 01:29:27.603 --> 01:29:29.969 then the police, John? 01:29:30.005 --> 01:29:31.939 Well, go ahead. 01:29:31.974 --> 01:29:36.205 Because everybody up here knows that I was just studying you for school. 01:29:36.244 --> 01:29:40.078 You were an experiment, John. 01:29:40.114 --> 01:29:44.140 I was playing you from the start 01:29:44.184 --> 01:29:46.652 and you were too stupid to figure it out. 01:29:48.121 --> 01:29:51.181 What do you have to say now, John? 01:31:08.827 --> 01:31:10.454 Tonight I'm standing outside 01:31:10.496 --> 01:31:14.556 Illinois's Stateville Penitentiary where John Wayne Gacy will be executed 01:31:14.599 --> 01:31:18.194 for the 33 murders he was convicted of 14 years ago. 01:31:18.236 --> 01:31:22.103 Three drugs will be administered in 30-second to one-minute intervals: 01:31:22.139 --> 01:31:24.539 Sodium Pentothal, an anesthetic; 01:31:24.574 --> 01:31:28.169 pancuronium bromide to paralyze the respiratory system; 01:31:28.211 --> 01:31:30.804 and potassium chloride to stop the heart. 01:31:30.846 --> 01:31:33.041 If all goes as planned, Gacy will be pronounced dead 01:31:34.216 --> 01:31:35.911 within 10 to 15 minutes. 01:31:41.790 --> 01:31:44.156 Jason? 01:31:47.228 --> 01:31:49.889 Jason, come on. 01:31:54.034 --> 01:31:56.696 - Jason? - Just go away. 01:32:01.708 --> 01:32:02.970 ...from the scene. 01:32:03.009 --> 01:32:06.911 And some of the families of Gacy's victims are present for the execution. 01:32:06.946 --> 01:32:09.106 One family issued a statement saying, 01:32:09.147 --> 01:32:11.377 "Nothing will ever bring our son back, 01:32:11.416 --> 01:32:15.512 but after 16 years, justice is finally being served." 01:32:15.554 --> 01:32:16.714 Meanwhile, protesters... 01:32:33.203 --> 01:32:36.434 We've just received confirmation that John Wayne Gacy 01:32:36.473 --> 01:32:38.963 succumbed to lethal injection and was pronounced dead 01:32:39.007 --> 01:32:41.339 at 12:58 AM, 01:32:41.377 --> 01:32:44.744 nearly an hour after his scheduled execution time. 01:32:44.780 --> 01:32:47.577 Cheers from the crowd were heard when his death was announced 01:32:47.615 --> 01:32:50.175 while others continued their protest in silence. 01:33:10.102 --> 01:33:14.004 So I have read your term paper. 01:33:16.107 --> 01:33:17.597 And? 01:33:17.642 --> 01:33:22.602 And it's very good. 01:33:25.582 --> 01:33:27.675 Thank you. 01:33:27.718 --> 01:33:31.017 So do you really think you were able to get inside his mind? 01:33:31.054 --> 01:33:33.488 Uh... 01:33:33.524 --> 01:33:36.924 as close as anyone can get. 01:33:36.959 --> 01:33:41.089 Well, listen, obviously you've been talking to a lot of people about this 01:33:41.130 --> 01:33:44.826 because there is a lot of buzz on campus about your project. 01:33:44.866 --> 01:33:48.199 I know some of the other students have been talking about your letters 01:33:48.236 --> 01:33:51.467 and even some of the faculty are aware of what you've been doing. 01:33:51.506 --> 01:33:53.371 I was wondering, would you be willing 01:33:53.408 --> 01:33:55.671 to put on a small presentation for the department? 01:33:55.709 --> 01:33:58.701 Nothing too formal... just talk to us about what you learned 01:33:58.746 --> 01:34:03.274 and how you developed this rather unusual methodology. 01:34:06.085 --> 01:34:10.385 While this sociopath was trying to humanize himself to me, 01:34:10.423 --> 01:34:13.880 the images of the boys he killed never left my mind. 01:34:13.926 --> 01:34:16.394 Their innocent faces still remind me 01:34:16.428 --> 01:34:19.864 of just how unthinkable these crimes were. 01:34:19.898 --> 01:34:24.857 And the losses that these families suffered should never be forgotten. 01:34:24.902 --> 01:34:27.632 We live in a society that is fascinated 01:34:27.672 --> 01:34:31.369 by murder, killing and violence. 01:34:31.409 --> 01:34:34.935 So I thought I was just one of many with a morbid interest 01:34:34.978 --> 01:34:37.742 in the darker side of human nature. 01:34:37.781 --> 01:34:41.581 But I also wanted to conquer something that I truly feared. 01:34:41.618 --> 01:34:43.915 Instead of running away from this monster, 01:34:43.953 --> 01:34:45.944 something told me I should confront it 01:34:45.988 --> 01:34:48.183 and look it in the eye. 01:34:48.224 --> 01:34:51.421 When I first embarked on this journey 01:34:51.460 --> 01:34:53.950 to enter into the mind and manipulate 01:34:53.995 --> 01:34:57.590 one of the world's most notorious serial killers, 01:34:57.632 --> 01:35:01.432 I never imagined that the one who would ultimately be manipulated 01:35:01.469 --> 01:35:05.928 and controlled would be me. 01:35:07.441 --> 01:35:09.033 Thank you. 01:35:13.946 --> 01:35:16.414 Very good, Jason. Well done, Jason. Very good. 01:36:02.723 --> 01:36:06.887 Well, Jason, you really took me for a ride. 01:36:06.928 --> 01:36:10.829 You were right, I never saw it coming. 01:36:10.864 --> 01:36:13.458 Of all the people who fucked me over in my life, 01:36:13.500 --> 01:36:15.627 I never thought it would be you. 01:36:15.669 --> 01:36:18.728 But it must have been fate. 01:36:18.771 --> 01:36:22.229 Thousands of people wanted me, but I picked you. 01:36:22.274 --> 01:36:25.072 We had a real connection, the two of us. 01:36:25.110 --> 01:36:29.307 And now that I know the truth, I know more than ever 01:36:29.347 --> 01:36:33.943 that you and I are a lot more alike than you think. 01:36:33.985 --> 01:36:36.545 It's time to die now. 01:36:36.588 --> 01:36:39.420 See you on the other side, buddy. 01:37:31.837 --> 01:37:36.136 I portrayed an image to Gacy of this lonely boy that had no friends. 01:37:36.173 --> 01:37:38.334 I wanted someone to teach me or help me. 01:37:38.376 --> 01:37:39.968 I presented myself as very naive. 01:37:40.011 --> 01:37:43.208 I didn't want to just learn about Gacy. I wanted to actually talk to him, 01:37:43.247 --> 01:37:45.840 find out about his crimes, find out the things 01:37:45.882 --> 01:37:47.747 that no one else could find out about. 01:37:47.784 --> 01:37:50.412 I thought, "I'm gonna find the secrets that the FBI couldn't figure out. 01:37:50.453 --> 01:37:53.217 I want to do what the psychologists failed to do." 01:37:53.256 --> 01:37:56.418 And every letter I got back, I thought that was one step closer to finding out 01:37:56.458 --> 01:37:58.517 why Gacy buried those kids. 01:37:58.560 --> 01:38:00.892 But he was also a part of my life for seven months. 01:38:00.929 --> 01:38:03.898 He was my friend, my confidant, 01:38:03.932 --> 01:38:05.922 the subject of all my nightmares. 01:38:05.967 --> 01:38:09.300 But it's weird to know that he's gone. 01:38:43.233 --> 01:38:48.569 ♪ Maybe I left you alone too much ♪ 01:38:50.674 --> 01:38:56.578 ♪ Maybe I didn't know you well ♪ 01:38:58.014 --> 01:39:03.315 ♪ Maybe if I held you a little longer ♪ 01:39:03.351 --> 01:39:05.512 ♪ When you were a boy ♪ 01:39:05.554 --> 01:39:10.491 ♪ Maybe I would have been able to tell ♪ 01:39:12.493 --> 01:39:15.929 ♪ You dance with the devil ♪ 01:39:15.963 --> 01:39:19.524 ♪ You'll never be the same ♪ 01:39:19.567 --> 01:39:21.932 ♪ I wish I'd have known ♪ 01:39:21.968 --> 01:39:27.099 ♪ I'd make you stay with me ♪ 01:39:27.140 --> 01:39:33.874 ♪ My forever won't change ♪ 01:39:33.912 --> 01:39:41.079 ♪ Like a wound I keep on paying ♪ 01:39:42.220 --> 01:39:49.956 ♪ Time won't heal this kind of pain ♪ 01:39:56.299 --> 01:40:01.565 ♪ I watched you walk down that road ♪ 01:40:03.239 --> 01:40:09.734 ♪ I saw a side you never showed ♪ 01:40:10.845 --> 01:40:16.647 ♪ Pretended like it was okay ♪ 01:40:18.086 --> 01:40:24.217 ♪ I never wanted it to end this way ♪ 01:40:25.392 --> 01:40:28.850 ♪ If you survive ♪ 01:40:28.895 --> 01:40:32.353 ♪ You'll never be the same ♪ 01:40:32.398 --> 01:40:34.559 ♪ I wish I'd have known ♪ 01:40:34.600 --> 01:40:40.299 ♪ I'd make you stay with me ♪ 01:40:40.338 --> 01:40:46.709 ♪ My forever won't change ♪ 01:40:46.745 --> 01:40:53.912 ♪ Like a wound I keep on paying ♪ 01:40:53.951 --> 01:41:01.288 ♪ Time won't heal this kind of pain ♪ 01:41:01.324 --> 01:41:08.320 ♪ My forever won't change... ♪ 01:41:11.066 --> 01:41:18.062 ♪ Won't change, won't change... ♪ 01:42:03.881 --> 01:42:10.251 ♪ My forever won't change ♪ 01:42:10.286 --> 01:42:17.453 ♪ Like a wound I keep on paying ♪ 01:42:17.492 --> 01:42:24.829 ♪ Time won't heal this kind of pain ♪ 01:42:24.865 --> 01:42:32.601 ♪ My forever won't change. ♪